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A lot of your message revolves around this idea that there's a normal
file open semantic. What I've tried (but clearly failed) to articulate
previously is that this notion is becoming archaic in what is
On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 15:15, Aaron Sherman wrote:
Dash this all on the rocks if you want, but understand that this is not
an off-the-cuff reply, but something that I've spent a lot of time
mulling over
[...]
First off, IMHO, open should be an alias for a closure-wrapped
constructor, like so:
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 08:19:05AM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote:
: open as a verb is extremely ambiguous. In dictionary searches I see as
: many as 19 definitions just for the verb form.
Well, sure, but also need to take Perl history into account, where dwimmy
open is considered something of a
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 08:39:52AM +0300, Gaal Yahas wrote:
: How do I open a file named -?
Um, depending on what you mean, and whether we continue to support
the '=' pseudofile, maybe:
$fh = io(-);
or
$fh = open -;
or
$fh = $name eq '-' ?? $*IN :: open $name;
: How do I open
with magic control. I've no gripes with the first
or last of those, but I think the second should not be allowed by
default. There has to be a safe mode for opening a file and knowing
that's what you're opening: not a pipe, not stdio (hence there are places
I can't permit myself to use #1
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 01:32:56AM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
On 5/5/05, Gaal Yahas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
getopt(...);
$fh = open $in, :allowstdio;
Maybe the opposite:
$fh = open $in, :literal;
One of the nice things about the magical - behavior is that people
are
On 5/5/05, Gaal Yahas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 01:32:56AM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
And I don't think arguing in the name of security for the default
case is going to buy us anything. Security doesn't come in scripts in
any language for free; you have to walk
: not a pipe, not stdio (hence there are places
: I can't permit myself to use #1). But as your third example suggests,
: never allowing open - will make unixish tools tedious to write, so
: maybe we need something like
:
: getopt(...);
: $fh = open $in, :allowstdio;
:
: (only named more
On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 12:31, Larry Wall wrote:
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 10:14:34AM +0300, Gaal Yahas wrote:
: On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 11:44:58PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
: : How do I open a file named -?
[...]
: $fh = io(-);
: $fh = open -;
: My concern is again with magic
How do I open a file named -? How do I open stdout (and the other
standard handles)?
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