Re: [perpass] threat model draft

2013-10-15 Thread Stephen Kent
Brian, ... Although I don't represent the clarity or quality of the draft as anything other than -00, I also don't understand what's not clear here. For those who don't have 6973 open in front of them: "Surveillance is the observation or monitoring of an individual's communications or activi

Re: [perpass] threat model draft

2013-10-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 15/10/2013 06:57, Brian Trammell wrote: ... >>> Additionally, all this is context dependent as there all >>> kinds of bases for exactly this kind of activity that are >>> operational, commercial, and legal. It would also be >>> interesting to see a definition of "network." Radio >>> networks h

Re: [perpass] threat model draft

2013-10-14 Thread Tony Rutkowski
Hi Brian et al., This has been kind of fun to watch - based on someone's note about it. But I'm not into this kind of far out academic religious stuff and have real work to do. But have fun. --tony ___ perpass mailing list perpass@ietf.org https://ww

Re: [perpass] threat model draft (was: Re: mandatory-to-implement vs. more?)

2013-10-14 Thread Brian Trammell
hi Stephen, Tony, a few further points inline... On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > (Subject lines are cheap and helpful, let's try use > 'em a bit better please.) > > On 10/14/2013 04:35 PM, Tony Rutkowski wrote: >> Steve, >> >> Brian's draft defines "perv

[perpass] threat model draft (was: Re: mandatory-to-implement vs. more?)

2013-10-14 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Tony, (Subject lines are cheap and helpful, let's try use 'em a bit better please.) On 10/14/2013 04:35 PM, Tony Rutkowski wrote: > Steve, > > Brian's draft defines "pervasive surveillance" as >> the practice of >> surveillance at widespread observation points, without any >> modification of