[PersianComputing] Farsiweb.Info

2002-01-27 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Dear friends, Due to connection and bandwidth problems with Shabakieh Sharif, who has been providing FarsiWeb's connection, we have moved our informational website to SourceForge. We have also restructured some sections, and added some parts that were announced on the mailing list, but were not l

Re: [PersianComputing] RE: PersianComputing digest, Vol 1 #37 - 1msg

2002-02-06 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Mr Redhat wrote: > I can't open the site!!! which site? ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing

[PersianComputing] Internationalized Domain Names

2002-02-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Dear all, Sorry to mention this so late, but the Internationalized Domain Names Working Group documents are in final call, so if you have comments to make on them, now is the time. Visit http://www.i-d-n.net/ and subscribe to their mailing list (and read their archives) before doing so. (Or feel

[PersianComputing] Jalali for Palm

2002-02-11 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Behdad just gave me his port of Jalali (calendar conversion) to Palm OS 4[*]. You can download the executable at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/farsitools/Jalali.prc and its sources at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/farsitools/Jalali-PalmOS4.tar.gz BTW, I just found that you s

Re: [PersianComputing] Nesf font

2002-02-19 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, My Mazgoon wrote: > Question about nesf font supporting the Persian unicode. > > Some charcters like Hamze (over vav or alef) is not being displayed > correctly and it will show as a rectangle. Is there any tricks displaying it > correctly? No, the fonts is still buggy, a

[PersianComputing] FontLab 4

2002-02-20 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
to find an illegal copy for us, or buy the software yourself and send us a copy.) Thank you very much, Roozbeh Pournader, The FarsiWeb Project Group ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing

[PersianComputing] FontLab: Thanks a lot

2002-02-20 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Dear friends, When we sent the request message, we did not have a clue about how many great and supportive friends we have. In such a short time, we have already received a very kind offer of paying for the software and delivering it to us; and also three warez copies. And guess what: we are alr

[PersianComputing] Mehrsoft TrayLayout

2002-03-07 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
This is to announce Mehrsoft TrayLayout, a Persian keyboard layout management program for Windows 2000 and XP, kindly provided by Arash Rezaiizadeh. The software is provided "as is", without any support from the FarsiWeb project. You are allowed to distribute and use it freely. It is available f

[PersianComputing] Draft 5 of Persian Unicode

2002-03-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
your suggested changes in the text, we can put them in amendments that will be published later. Roozbeh Pournader, for the FarsiWeb Project Group ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing

[PersianComputing] ICANN at Large

2002-04-07 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
For those interested in ICANN matters, there is an online community at: http://www.icannatlarge.com/ I recommend signing up as a member if you hold a domain name or are interested in domain name policy and administrative matters. roozbeh __

[PersianComputing] Opting out

2002-04-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Just to mention that I have unsubscribed from some of international mailing lists related to I18n, so I may not be able to monitor all discussions there. It would be great if interested people here can subscribe to some of them and tell the related Iranian list (farsiweb, persiancomputing, linuxi

[PersianComputing] Mehrsoft TrayLayout 1.2

2002-04-27 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Dear friends, This is to announce version 1.2 of Mehrsoft TrayLayout, a Persian keyboard layout management program for Windows 2000 and XP, kindly provided by Arash Rezaiizadeh. The software is provided "as is", without any support from the FarsiWeb project. You are allowed to distribute and use

[PersianComputing] UniPad with Persian support

2002-05-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:19:43 GMT From: Djamshid Sharmahd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniPad and www.farsiweb.info Dooste gerami, Jahate etela'e shoma^ narmafza^re UniPad ke yek "Unicode Plain Text Edit

[PersianComputing] Persian Information Interchange Standard

2002-05-19 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
21, 23:00 IRDT (18:30 GMT). The comments should preferably be sent to The FarsiWeb Project Group at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the FarsiWeb mailing list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FarsiWeb Projects Group Roozbeh Pournader, Behdad Esfahbod, O

[PersianComputing] Comments Closing

2002-05-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Just to mention that I'm finalizing the text of the standard in an hour. So please send any remaining comments to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as soon as possible. roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/li

[PersianComputing] Final Final version, and a Guessing Contest

2002-05-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
ontest', with three lines of information in the text, first the guess, then the email address with which you are subscribed to the lists, and finally your name in English. My own entry may be something like: 6000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roozbe

[PersianComputing] Re: [farsiweb]Farsi heh + hamzeh

2002-05-28 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Abi Lover wrote: > I hope that the FarsiWeb > development team are listening, and will give this suggestion serious > consideration. We're listening, and reading all the debate. I will summarize all after all dust settles, and write down our standpoint. ;) roozbeh _

[PersianComputing] Re: [farsiweb]Re: Farsi

2002-05-30 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Abi Lover wrote: > There are some people in the Persian IT and linguistics debate who think > that they have a duty to lay down rules for other people to follow. At first > we were told how to write the . Now we have been told how to write > the . Next I expect we will be

[PersianComputing] Re: [farsiweb]Farsi and Arabic typography with hamzeh

2002-06-01 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Ok, it seems that we are seeing a lot of monolouges here. Just tell me when it finished, so I can tell you again the only reason why we should not use the U+06C0 character for encoding Persian text. It's about something named 'normalization', as I already told. You will have two ways to encode th

[PersianComputing] Re: [farsiweb]Farsi and Arabic typography with hamzeh

2002-06-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Abi Lover wrote: > In my previous message I had not said anything about U+06C0 or > “normalisation”. It had nothing to do with that. I don’t know where you got > that idea from. Perhaps you should go back and read it again, and come up > with a more sensible reply. You did

Re: [PersianComputing] FARSI HEH WITH HAMZA

2002-06-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [...] Mr. Pournader had mentioned that he would summarize the discussion > points, Unfortunately I can't do that, since the discussions did not converge. > and even try to reach a consensus/decision. Again, I can't base any decision based on the d

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: [farsiweb]Re: FARSI HEH WITH HAMZA

2002-06-18 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Abi Lover wrote: > >Whats the policy to identify a list member as spammer? ;-) > > What's the policy to identify a list member as intolrant? :-0 [speaking personally] Abi, You have acted offensive in some way or the other (but we will forgive you for that), and are repeat

[PersianComputing] Re: FARSI HEH WITH HAMZA

2002-06-18 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Abi Lover wrote: > [...] The ýexperiences of Connie, who has posted severa messages on this > mailing list, and ýexpressed his frustrations at not being able to spell > the character properly in ýUnicode compliant software and fonts, such as > Microsoft's Times New Roman, ýde

[PersianComputing] ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-07-29 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
I just finished what should have done long ago, an informational mapping table from ISIRI 2901 keyboard to Unicode. It's at: http://www.farsiweb.info/table/2901-unicode.txt -- Roozbeh Pournader | Sometimes I forget to reply to emails. Sharif University of Techn

Re: [PersianComputing] Internationalized browser

2002-08-11 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, John Waters wrote: > It just dawned on me! Try omniweb (www.omnigroup.com). I have been using > Omniweb for years and years (since the NeXTStep days). They have an > Internationalized web broswers. It's about 6 megs (dmg file). Just to note that I remember hearing very good

[PersianComputing] Microsoft no longer provides free fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
old page is at: http://www.microsoft.com/opentype/fontpack/default.htm roozbeh -- Roozbeh Pournader | Sometimes I forget to reply to emails. Sharif University of Technology | Some other times I don't find the time. roozbeh sharif edu | So kindly remind me if

[PersianComputing] Re: [LinuxIran]Re: [farsiweb]Microsoft no longer provides free fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Modirrousta, Mostafa wrote: > Nos that we are on the subject, is there any Open-Font fondation, yet? No, the best thing I know of, is: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont/ and of course all the fonts already distributed with Linux distributions. roozbeh ___

[PersianComputing] ISIRI 6219:2002

2002-08-19 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
I was just notified of the ISIRI number of the Persian Information Interchange standard we prepared. It is: ISIRI 6219:2002 Information Technology -- Persian Information Interchange and Display Mechanism, using Unicode I will keep you posted when I found it is available from ISIRI in pa

Re: [PersianComputing] Creating TTF font with arabic codepage

2002-09-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How I can create TTF font with arabic codepage? > [...] > I think, I don't use these utility correctly. Any one can help me!? Well, since we are also tackling similar problems, my best advice would be getting rid of that Fontographer+TTF tools and t

Re: [PersianComputing] an idea

2002-09-24 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Please post your thoughts. Let's see if there's any interest. Just that I would really appreciate it, and that I can help in checking the standard compliance of the test suite if it is small (and to the point) enough. Connie, can you act as the maintaine

Re: [PersianComputing] NEWS FLASH concerning fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > I don't like to monopolize the group with my personal problems so much > (although I hope I'm at least providing some entertainment!) That's completely OK, IMHO. At least they are technical problems, not theoretical (or evangelizing) ones. You are very pol

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: NEWS FLASH concerning fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > > like. Remember that wether you like it or not, and wether it was your > > intention is not, you are now encouraging people to use specific products ( > > Like M$ IE ), that not everyone wants/likes to use. You are unintentionally > > taking freedom from p

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: NEWS FLASH concerning fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > > I don't agree with Aryan. He has a wrong concept of freedom. > > Aryan is perhaps thinking about the future. I wanted to get some content > up NOW. It is a rough question you have to face. I understand, but my following points were also referring to th

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: NEWS FLASH concerning fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > He did what he could. One person has only so much time. No point in getting into debates. OK. As you say. ;) roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: Re: NEWS FLASH concerning fonts

2002-10-16 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > I don't agree with Aryan. He has a wrong concept of freedom. You are > > providing content, > [...] > > Yeah, you are right roozbeh, sorry for my wrong approach toward freedom and > broswer compatibility That's of course my personal opinion. No offe

[PersianComputing] Bidi in Yudit-2.7.beta1 (fwd)

2002-11-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI roozbeh -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:07:41 +0900 (JST) From: Gaspar Sinai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ken Beesley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hugo Coolens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, S H A N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark E. Shoulson <

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: My radical discovery. Persian computingmade easy

2002-11-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Is this available online? Sadly, no. > I have been searching for some authority on good word-processing style > such as where to use the ZWNJ. That fascicle provides some guidelines, but many of the guidelines are far from desirable or are very ambiguous.

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: My radical discovery. Persian computingmade easy

2002-11-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Oh. Too bad. Maybe we should make our own. A previous member of FarsiWeb has done so personally. But I believe we lack the authority to do that. We're just computer guys, not linguists. One of the FarsiWeb's main guidelines is try to invent as little as pos

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: My radical discovery. Persian computingmade easy

2002-11-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > No! Only under extreme conditions I sometimes put a full space between > "mi" and "konad" but that is only when desperate. I never can bring myself > to type "mikonad" without any space. If you want my advice, Never put a full space between "mi-" and what f

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: My radical discovery. Persian computingmade easy

2002-11-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > What is the point of academies and ZWNJ's existing if frustrated PC > users don't know about them? I completely agree. But why is't anyone else trying to scratch the itch? Why are we the only prophets of the God of Typography on the Internet? I still don't

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: My radical discovery. Persian computingmade easy

2002-11-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Because there is a shortage of Persian geeks in the world! Any ideas about how can that be changed? > Although I wonder where the people publishing the literary magazines/books > are getting their training? There is usually a closed circle of (copy?) edi

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: My radical discovery. Persian computingmade easy

2002-11-17 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Have friendly discussions like this?? Raise general awareness?? Have been trying to do that for more than four years. No chance. > > There is usually a closed circle of (copy?) editors who learn their job > > through master-apprentice relations. > Oh. Do t

[PersianComputing] ISIRI 6219:2002

2002-11-19 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
/finalversion.pdf?download A paper copy may be acquired at the price of 4125 IRR from: Institute of Standards and Industrial Research of Iran PO Box 31585-163 Karaj, IRAN Fax: +98 (261) 280-7045 Roozbeh Pournader, for the FarsiWeb Project Group

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Could you please clarify? MS bought font(s) originally designed as > freeware?? MS doesn't have exclusive right on Nazanin or Mitra. If you have not acquired your copy of Nazanin from Microsoft or Monotype, they are talking about another Nazanin. Please tel

[PersianComputing] Yudit-2.7

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. Yudit now has bidi support and Persian keyboard. Unfortunately Shift+Space doesn't work for ZWNJ, so you need to use Shift+B. roozbeh -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:41:37 +0900 (JST) From: Gaspar Sinai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > > Sinasoft doesn't claim any copyright on their old TTF fonts. > So Sinasoft made the first Nazanin, Mitra, etc? > What is Linotype that the MS guy mentions? So it's Linotype? I thought it's Monotype. They should have got their hands on the outlines somewh

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > > One point to raise is that the Nazanin we use is not *hinted*. Their > > Nazanin should be hinted. So our Nazanin is not based on theirs. > I wish I knew what hinting is. No, never mind. I don't want to know. It should be interesting for you. It is lack o

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > I see. But if all this was done more than a year ago, the font should be > ready now. I hope we don't have to wait for WinXP's successor. We do need to. They told me that it is not for XP, but for the next thing. > No! View some text with diacritics with a

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > I will do some sleuthing and begging. Maybe they'll make an exception and > release the font early. > This is a desperate situation. They need to sell it as part of something. That would be either the next Office, or the next Windows. The best place we can

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > They don't NEED to do anything. They can include it among their acts of > charity! Microsoft and charity? ;) > > The best place we can get is making that > > IE 7.0. > Newbie has not understood. Fonts don't come as part of the browser. They > are on your

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided > ok, I had to create an account to submit the report. Didn't find anything > concerning "arabic diacritics" in the bugs database so maybe I am the > first to report. WHat category shall I put this in

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Check this out: > >http://www.fontexplorer.com/FontStore?URL=http://www.fontexplorer.com/isroot/FontStore/content/01_news/content/news_04b_fontfeat_arch/home_06b_fcomp_arabic_types/news_04a_arab_nazanin.html That's interesting! This means that Linotype has

Re: [PersianComputing] Chimera Web Browser for MacOS X

2002-11-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, john waters wrote: > Hello gang, > Below is a URL demonstrating the capabilities of Chimera, an all > "cocoa" (formerly openstep) port of Mozilla to MacOS X. > http://www.martnet.com/~johnny/chimera-ir.jpg Wow. What a mix of sizes! roozbeh ___

Re: [PersianComputing] Nazanin again, sorry :(

2002-11-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, C Bobroff wrote: > Why doesn't the Persian community get the money together and get a font > made? That's also my question. Why? roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listi

Re: [PersianComputing] Re: My radical discovery. Persian computing

2002-11-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > The problem may be one of advertising. I doubt, for example, that > any announcement about PersianComputing list has been sent to > lists such as [EMAIL PROTECTED]; iran-news is the perfect > place for such an announcement. Would you please do that,

[PersianComputing] Iran official holidays

2003-03-28 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Searching Google, I couldn't find any list of Iranian holidays that is not only for some certain year, and so I made one computer-processable one myself: http://www.farsiweb.info/table/iran-holidays.txt I'd appreciate any feedback, specially in correcting possible typos. Roozbeh _

[PersianComputing] timezone data

2003-03-29 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
You may have noticed that Iran's daylight saving time has not been implemented correctly in any operating system. The Linux implementation was one day off, while the Windows implementation is about a week off. Following, I am attaching an announcement of the latest version of 'tzdata' database th

[PersianComputing] Any kurdish expert?

2003-04-03 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
I was wondering if anyone here knows Kurdish and can read and write in Kurdish in the Perso-Arabic script... If you know, please contact me personally at my email address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Thanks, Roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL

[PersianComputing] Unicode Advertisement

2003-04-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Hong Kong [Special Administrative Region] government is advocating ISO 10646 (a.k.a. Unicode) by creating flash animations: http://www.info.gov.hk/digital21/eng/images/cli/iso.swf Funny! roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTEC

[PersianComputing] Unicode character names (was Re: Unicode Advertisement)

2003-04-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > If unicode is so scrupulously attentive to details of standardization, > why is the naming scheme so haphazard? Because of very tight constraints set by ISO, and a requirement of ISO that the names stay the same forever, even if mistakes are found in them.

[PersianComputing] New keyboard layout

2003-06-07 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
In a technical committee meeting for designing a new and extended standard Unicode-based keyboard layout for Persian as used in Iran, based on the national standard ISIRI 2901:1994, we agreed the following layout. We appreciate any feedback either to the mailing lists, or to the FarsiWeb Project G

Re: [PersianComputing] Shamsi Date

2003-06-02 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Rezvan Dadashi wrote: > Dear Roozbeh Well, if you want me, email my personal address (well, I may not answer that fast, of course). I guess it will be a little offensive to some of the subscribers to do it like this. > Do you have solution for "Shamsi" date format in Window

[PersianComputing] [OT] Re: Congratulations to Sharif's

2003-06-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Off-topic, of course. My comments below. On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > In a recent speech, the Chairman of the Department of Electrical > > Engineering at Stanford declared the Sharif Technical University of > > Iran the best undergraduate program in the world based on the > >

Re: [PersianComputing] Persian input with US/European keyboard

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > That's one of the problems with schemes like Eurofarsi mentioned earlier: > once you put the short vowels, you commit yourself to one dialect but if > you leave them out, you can maintain the universality of the Persian > language. I was talking to the new

Re: [PersianComputing] Persian input with US/European keyboard

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Nigel Greenwood wrote: > As a new member of this List, I find all the x-posting & cc'ing a bit > confusing. Isn't it simpler if all postings go to PersianComputing? Makes > replying a lot easier too! There are reasons for this. Read the archives please. > Only as a perso

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Behnam Esfahbod wrote: > As Roozbeh suggested, we can put these 3 character in the new layout, but > my opinion is that we don't; because they SHOULD NOT use in persian texts, > and we have other local shapes for these characters. No, we don't local shapes for these. These

Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > What is the character on alt+control+d? It's the Arabic Alef Maksura. For cases you just need a "dandaane" in the middle of a word. Almost always Koranic quotes. > Or maybe that's supposed to be the tatweel?? No, Tatweel is at Shift+"-". > And forgive m

Re: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > I also have only heard of Alif Maksura used in Arabic only in Final > position, never in initial, medial or isolated. > > Please give an example of "dandaane" which must be a Persian invention in > which case why don't you use Persian Yeh? [Wearing my Unico

Re: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > > Guess what? It's already done. Unicode has the dotless forms of all Arabic > > letters already encoded. Exercise for the reader: Look at the charts and > > list all of them. > > Exercise for the fontmaker: make them! Who are you addressing here? A fontmak

Re: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > Hey, it's the Persian poets who liked to engage in tajnis. What if a fontmaker doesn't care about all those linguistics-only needs, and wants to give his mates just some support for their language proper, as used in modern times, and only in official letter

[PersianComputing] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Using Microsoft's new keyboard creation tool, we created a keyboard layout based on the latest committee draft for the future national Iranian keyboard layout. You can download it at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/farsitools/persiankeyboard.zip?download Important Note: This only works for W

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: > Thanks for your efforts to provide us with an experimental version of > the new standard keyboard layout for Persian ! You're welcome Peter. But please don't propagate it much, since that may be changed. > I tried the keyboard in Word2000/Win2000, using A

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > In a textbook, you might want to say, "This here is a maddah". In the > past, I wanted to show what a superscript alif compared to fatha looks > like and was not able to You should put them either over a space, or a Tatweel (U+0640, the base line exten

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: > No other keyboard I know for "extended Arabic" languages provides keytop > positions for standalone versions of maddah, hamzah above and hamzah > below, although it might make sense to use these keys as "deadkeys" to > type compounded glyphs alef-madda, ale

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > Just over a space is fine but the font should be able to render it and the > fontmakers don't always know what all people may want to type. That's some other matter. > If the fontmakers see it's a character on the keyboard, they might make > an isolated fo

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: > The question remains why you provide direct keyboard input for > "combining" hamza & madda. Are there any letter combinations other than > with alef/ya/waw that can be created via combination? Yes. Heh. > (I've seen accents added in handwriting for Pashto

Re: [PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > For whatever they're worth, they're here as PDF files: > > http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/roman.html That only mentions there is only one Kurdish letter not already in Persian. But we know a lot of accent marks are used, while the above reference only me

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > If you don't redefine your concept of "easy", Well, honestly the way it is now in MS software (or even Linux) is not good enough even for experts. IMO, all OS-es should come automatically with all languages enabled, or, at the minimum, come with an automati

[PersianComputing] RE: [farsiweb] New keyboard layout for Windows

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: > >>These are *combining* Maddah, Hamza Above, and Hamza Below.<< > Isn't that what I called "deadkeys" in another context? (Had no time to > look into SC Unipad so far to see how exactly they function...) There is a difference. Dead keys are typed "before"

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Linguasoft wrote: > But doesn't ALEF MAKSURA appear mostly at the end of words, i.e. in its > final or isolated forms? It does, but that is the Arabic. A normal Persian Yeh is used in Persian contexts. For example, both words "ali" and "kobraa" should be written (and encoded

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > An exhausted but euphoric Roozbeh? Not euphoric. Not at all. I just feel talkative. The really good word for what I am now is tired. I need a lot of alcohol, and then a lot of sleep. A good Persian word is "mozmahel". > Admit it, you're enjoying every mi

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > No, I've alerted all the embassies of the world not to issue you any more > visas for conferences. It should have been you then :)) > Look how much we all have profited from the fruits of your visa > frustations of the past few days-- > a very nice keyboa

RE: [farsiweb] Re: [PersianComputing] Persian Keyboard Layout Preview

2003-06-13 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > Yes, that's what I meant and it took YOU half an hour but would have taken > me and the silent lurkers weeks or possibly never so thank you. I don't believe it. Full stop. > And did I hear you say, "nice MS tool"? Hmmm It's a nice tool. But it's a sha

[PersianComputing] Persian is essentially ...

2003-06-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Following is a huge list of quotes with a pattern of "Language X is essentially language Y under conditions Z": http://mercury.ccil.org/~cowan/essential.html A few of them with references to Persian and Persians, which I find very funny: Hindi is essentially a combination of bad Persian and w

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 18:45, C Bobroff wrote: > There is already a font called Koodak. Won't users (and their computers) > have a problem when they THINK they are seeing this font but it's really > the old one? It won't occur to them to download the new one. The point is, this is exactly just *tha

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 05:09, C Bobroff wrote: > I don't understand why all the Arabic Yehs on Persian websites and > documents. Some sort of hot fashion? Plain ignorance?? It's CP1256 legacy. The original version didn't have a Persian Yeh, so people started using the Arabic one instead. It stuck,

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-09 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 23:28, C Bobroff wrote: > In this case, I just don't want to think about the > people who will download the new Koodak for free and sell it for a nice > profit. Not fair to the Farsiweb team nor the person who first made > Koodak. But fair if, say, the developers allow it to

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-09 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 18:43, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Can someone produce a BDF version? The question is: why do you need one? roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 22:20, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > My computing environment is Plan9. Plan9 fully supports Unicode > (UTF-8), but it lacks the glyphs for several font ranges. There is > currently no ttf or opentype support or conversion routines. I've > written a BDF font converter to Plan9

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-12 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 22:43, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I didn't see a link from the index page at www.farsiweb.info to > the Koodak font. It might be convient to have one. We will do that when we reach 'beta'. Too soon now. roozbeh ___ PersianComputi

Re: [PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 21:56, C Bobroff wrote: > Too bad the person who drew the original outlines remains a mystery. That just needs a little research (interviews, etc). Unfortunately nobody in FarsiWeb has the time. > My guess is that most people won't realize they should download the new, > im

[PersianComputing] Koodak font: alpha release

2003-08-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
ol Panel -> Fonts". 3. Delete all copies of any font you may have installed on your system named 'Koodak', 'Koodak Bold', ... 4. Install the 'Koodak' font from the menu. Roozbeh Pournader, for the FarsiWeb Project Group _

[PersianComputing] [Fwd: Unicode 4.0 is online!]

2003-08-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -Forwarded Message- From: Kenneth Whistler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Unicode 4.0 is online! Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:32:15 -0700 Unicadetti, The day you have been waiting for has arrived. All of the pdf for the online version of Unicode 4.0 has been generated and is now availabl

[PersianComputing] Persian Academy's computer terms

2003-08-20 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
The Persian Academy has published its first official list of computer terms that have been finalized (that is, approved by the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran). The copy I'm holding is labeled "second edition" and is dated "Dey of 1381" (2003-01). It has an appendix of the Iranian law on

[PersianComputing] Re: Persian Academy's computer terms

2003-08-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 05:36, C Bobroff wrote: > > "taghghe bezanid"? > We'll have to wait and see if the Academy passes that one! There is a finalized list of other terms that is not published yet, which either is waiting in a queue for the signature of the president, or is just getting prepared t

[PersianComputing] Major Enhancements to the Unicode Standard: Enabling InternationalDomain Names, Expanding Worldwide Accessibility, and Reducing the DigitalDivide

2003-08-27 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
FYI. -Forwarded Message- From: Magda Danish (Unicode) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Major Enhancements to the Unicod

[PersianComputing] For the World's A B C's, He Makes 1's and 0's

2003-09-25 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
An Article by New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/25/technology/circuits/25code.html roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing

Re: [PersianComputing] For the World's A B C's, He Makes 1's and 0's

2003-10-03 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 05:55, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > I just registered. Are you telling me to pay $2.95 to read the > interview with Michael Everson? Did you PAY ANYTHING?!!! Of course New York Times has free registration! I didn't pay a single dollar when I read that. I couldn't, anyaway. > Co

[PersianComputing] Re: persian-language.org

2003-10-05 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 01:37, C Bobroff wrote: > Actuallyand I'm risking exposing more of my genius tendancies > hereI wanted to ask what I misunderstood along the line because I was > under the impression that search engines or any search tool had been > instructed to consider Arabic and Pe

[PersianComputing] Netiquette (was Re: persian-language.org)

2003-10-06 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
such irrelevant, inappropriate, and impolite comments to the lists, or you will be banned from posting to the lists at first, and from subscribing to them later. Roozbeh Pournader, Administrator for "lists.sharif.edu". ___ PersianComputing mail

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