Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-12-02 Thread David Jericho
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:16:35PM -0500, Merlin Moncure wrote: I agree 100%: hardware raid sucks. I've been mostly ignoring this thread, but I'm going to jump in at this point. We confirmed the performance results with heavy testing. There is virtually no disadvatage to software raid, just

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-28 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 23:03, David Gilbert wrote: I'm on a bit of a mission to stamp out this misconception. In my testing, all but the most expensive hardware raid controllers are actually slower than FreeBSD's software RAID. I've done my tests with a variety of controllers with the same

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-26 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, In a production environment I would always favor some kind of error protection. Either RAID 5 or RAID 1 (mirroring). A hardware RAID controller is faster than software RAID. Considering the speed of CPU's and busses these days, software RAID can be a lot faster than hardware RAID in

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-26 Thread Tim Lynch
operationally, disk subsystems trump software raid for primary dataset storage: battery backed cache - safety first. portability - plug it into any other host, or more than one host on the scsi bus (fc-al loop). raid on a pci card or raid on the motherboard need not apply less they sport battery

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-26 Thread Chris Ruprecht
Hi all, On Monday 25 November 2002 05:43, Sander Steffann wrote: Hi, In a production environment I would always favor some kind of error protection. Either RAID 5 or RAID 1 (mirroring). A hardware RAID controller is faster than software RAID. Considering the speed of CPU's and busses

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-26 Thread SZALAI Karoly
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:43:56AM +0100, Sander Steffann wrote: (mirroring). A hardware RAID controller is faster than software RAID. lot faster than hardware RAID in many cases. I prefer hardware RAID myself because of the simplicity (the OS doesn't need to know about the RAID

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-25 Thread David Gilbert
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Dilger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nikolaus SCSI320 in theory is twice as fast as SCSI160. But the Nikolaus bottleneck will be the throughput of the individual disks. Nikolaus 15,000 rpm of course will be faster than 10,000 rpm. More Nikolaus interesting then the rpm numbers

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-25 Thread Hossein S. Zadeh
On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 23:03, David Gilbert wrote: I'm on a bit of a mission to stamp out this misconception. In my testing, all but the most expensive hardware raid controllers are actually slower than FreeBSD's software RAID. I've done my tests with a variety of controllers with the same

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-25 Thread nikolaus
David, The answer is always: It depends. Of course can software RAID be faster than hardware RAID. But then you are not comparing the best offerings of each category. Software RAID is usually cheaper than hardware. But again you may be able to construct a product pairing where it is reverse.

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-25 Thread David Gilbert
Hossein == Hossein S Zadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hossein On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 23:03, David Gilbert wrote: I'm on a bit of a mission to stamp out this misconception. In my testing, all but the most expensive hardware raid controllers are actually slower than FreeBSD's software RAID.

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-25 Thread David Gilbert
nikolaus == nikolaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nikolaus Of course can software RAID be faster than hardware RAID. nikolaus But then you are not comparing the best offerings of each nikolaus category. Software RAID is usually cheaper than hardware. nikolaus But again you may be able to

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-24 Thread Nikolaus Dilger
Mallah, I agree with Chris. The fastest is to have an in memory database. Raid 0 (striping) will speed up both reading and writing since you have more available disk I/O bandwidth. SCSI320 in theory is twice as fast as SCSI160. But the bottleneck will be the throughput of the individual

Re: [ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-22 Thread Chris Ruprecht
raid 0 (striping) spreads the load over multiple spindels, the same way raid 5 does. but raid 5 always needs to calculate parity and write that to it's parity drive. RPM isn't that critical, a lot depends on the machine, the processor and the memory (and the spped with which the processor can

[ADMIN] H/W RAID 5 on slower disks versus no raid on faster HDDs

2002-11-21 Thread Rajesh Kumar Mallah.
Hi folks, I have two options: 3*18 GB 10,000 RPM Ultra160 Dual Channel SCSI controller + H/W Raid 5 and 2*36 GB 15,000 RPM Ultra320 Dual Channel SCSI and no RAID Does anyone opinions *performance wise* the pros and cons of above two options. please take in consideration in latter case its