r recovery?
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/wal.html
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looked at?:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/plpgsql-statements.html#PLPGSQL-STATEMENTS-DIAGNOSTICS
and
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/plpgsql-control-structures.html#PLPGSQL-EXCEPTION-DIAGNOSTICS
End;
$$ language plpgsql;
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On 6/23/22 10:11, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 6/23/22 00:37, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
On 22.06.22 22:18, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
On 22.06.22 21:25, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 6/22/22 12:17, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
So I used both pg_dump and pg_restore from the newer machine. Result
is still the same
On 6/23/22 00:37, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
On 22.06.22 22:18, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
On 22.06.22 21:25, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 6/22/22 12:17, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
So I used both pg_dump and pg_restore from the newer machine. Result is
still the same. So I'll use Tom Lane's sugg
LC_CTYPE = 'en_US.UTF-8';
Any hints or help?
Are dumping/restoring from one version of Postgres to another?
If from older to newer then use the new version of pg_dump(13) to dump
the older(12) database. Then the 13 version of restore to load the
version 13 database.
*t
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lease
reply to this message and follow with its deletion, so that we can
ensure such a mistake does not occur in the future./
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ora 36 in
combination with latest Git 2.36.1.
I have ask this problem in the slack group,and now I report this to the
mail list,please check it,thanks very much!
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On 6/16/22 07:08, Rama Krishnan wrote:
Hi ,
What type of temp database should i use to maintain logs or export logs?
There is no temp database. You will need to be more specific about what
you want to achieve.
Thanks
Rama-krishnan
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.
As Tom Lane said you have the options of building from source or SRPM.
postgresql-12/focal 12.2-4 s390x
Regards
Ian
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to easily identify the affected columns,
exclude columns if necessary, and apply the necessary conversion. If
not, we would have to write a utility that does this for us, which could
be a lengthy process.
Thanks,
Joel
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nt/plpgsql-statements.html#PLPGSQL-STATEMENTS-DIAGNOSTICS
End;
$$ language plpgsql;
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y the ALTER SUBSCRIPTION first, though
note the caveats here:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/sql-altersubscription.html
Regards
Thomas
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if there is any discussion on:
* "compress" the OID space
* "warp around" the OID space
* segment a OID range for temporary tables with "wrap around"
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anything.
You might try postgres_fdw:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/postgres-fdw.html
Set up a table in the second server that links to the other server. Then
you have access to the data on the second server.
Best
Bilal
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On 5/29/22 15:03, Tom Lane wrote:
Adrian Klaver writes:
On 5/29/22 13:59, Alastair McKinley wrote:
I think Tom was able to reproduce this by the sounds of his response?
I have not received that post yet. I do see it in the archives.
I re-addressed it to pgsql-bugs, maybe you are not
On 5/29/22 13:59, Alastair McKinley wrote:
>
> From: Adrian Klaver
> Sent: 29 May 2022 21:47To: Alastair McKinley
Hi Adrian,
I am running the function "select test_notice();" from the psql console
with psql/server versions 15beta1.
In psql 15beta1, the notice app
On 5/29/22 13:47, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 5/29/22 13:11, Alastair McKinley wrote:
Hi all,
In psql 15beta1, the "hello" message only appears on the console when
the transaction completes.
I am not seeing that.
I take that back, I was using psql 14.3 to connect to the 15 instanc
ore information about how you are running test_notice()?
in psql 14.3, it appears immediately as I would have expected.
Is there a way to change psql behaviour to display notices immediately as in
versions < 15?
Best regards,
Alastair
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On 5/29/22 10:29, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 5/29/22 09:46, Alastair McKinley wrote:
Hi all,
Postgres 15:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/15/sql-keywords-appendix.html
STRING reserved (can be function or type) non-reserved
Postgres 14:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/14/sql
be function or type) non-reserved
Postgres 14:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/14/sql-keywords-appendix.html
STRING non-reserved
I don't have a 15 instance available, but I would double quoting
"string" would work.
Alastair
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.because anything at all that you do with
that big JSONB column is going to be expensive. (Another thing
that's been on the to-do list for awhile is enabling partial
retrieval of large JSONB values, but AFAIK that hasn't happened
yet either.)
Thanks, Shaheed
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st only.
How to change join so that type ranges in list like 6-9 are also returned?
Eq. f list contains 6-9, Type 6,7,8 and 9 shoud included in report.
Start over with a more rational data model.
Andrus.
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for issues. Either let the system do it's thing and be an out of
site out of mind number generator or take full control of the id
generation yourself.
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On 5/25/22 11:18 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2022, Adrian Klaver wrote:
What is max(person_nbr)?
bustrac=# select max(person_nbr) from people;
max -
965
(1 row)
From:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/functions-sequence.html
SELECT setval('people_person_nb
On 5/25/22 11:15 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2022, Adrian Klaver wrote:
Do:
select * from people_person_nbr_seq;
and report back the results.
Adrian,
Huh!
bustrac=# select * from people_person_nbr_seq;
last_value | log_cnt | is_called
issed?
Do:
select * from people_person_nbr_seq;
and report back the results.
Rich
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, it makes things a lot easier. Otherwise follow
the instructions others have provided for using -h and -p. You will also
need to do -h/-p if you are trying to reach remote instances of Postgres.
Regards, Carsten
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ed and the INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE has
completed); or instead of the operation (in the case of inserts, updates
or deletes on a view)."
So the INSERT has completed in an AFTER trigger.
Thank you!
BR,
dd
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Postgres 10 instance to
restore to from version 10 dump file then dump from using version 14
pg_dump to restore Postgres 14 instance.
3) Spin up a VM either on cloud service or locally and install Postgres
10 and do the version 10 restore/version 14 pg_dump there.
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rsion 14.2
-- Dumped by pg_dump version 14.2
anyway.
As to older version, how are you installing Postgres?
Much appreciated,
rjs
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re done with v13
pg-restore. This surprises me, but I do not manage the server. Maybe
my dump file doesn't have anything pg14 restore can't handle.. we'll see
I have abused this on occasion and succeeded, though sometimes it
involves some tweaks.
Thanks again, all.
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On 5/23/22 10:19 AM, Rob Sargent wrote:
On 5/23/22 11:07, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 5/23/22 10:01 AM, Rob Sargent wrote:
On 5/23/22 11:00, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 5/23/22 9:54 AM, Rob Sargent wrote:
On 5/23/22 10:50, Adrian Klaver wrote:
This is great news. I do have pg14. I thought
re working with. Call
trigger with UPDATE and INSERT.
Version: PGSQL 9.6-11
Thank you for your help!
Best regards,
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On 5/23/22 10:01 AM, Rob Sargent wrote:
On 5/23/22 11:00, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 5/23/22 9:54 AM, Rob Sargent wrote:
On 5/23/22 10:50, Adrian Klaver wrote:
Roger that, but does the dump of a database name the tablespaces from
which the objects were retrieved? And if so, is that accessible
On 5/23/22 9:54 AM, Rob Sargent wrote:
On 5/23/22 10:50, Adrian Klaver wrote:
Roger that, but does the dump of a database name the tablespaces from
which the objects were retrieved? And if so, is that accessible?
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/14/app-pgrestore.html
"--no-tables
back up global objects that are common to all databases in a cluster
(such as roles and tablespaces), use pg_dumpall."
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/14/app-pg-dumpall.html
"-g
--globals-only
Dump only global objects (roles and tablespaces), no databases.
"
Thanks,
Postgres Frontend/Backend protocol:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/protocol.html
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o the "insecurity by default" paradigm. I s'pose that
compatibility on upgrade means that nothing can change here.
There is movement on this front coming in Postgres 15:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/release-15.html#id-1.11.6.5.3
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. What the OP is running into
is the tip of the iceberg of the changes not only in 8.3 but the other 6
major versions involved. The time spent trying to create a compatibility
layer for this jump and subsequent jumps would be better spent actually
making the code current.
John
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nation
(||) operator, so long as least one input is a character-string type.
"
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If not specified, NOREPLICATION is the default. You must be
a superuser to create a new role having the REPLICATION attribute.
"
So the default of NOREPLICATION is mentioned.
replication(pg_hba.conf 'dummy' value) and REPLICATION/NOREPLICATION
roles are referring to different aspects of the same process. Honestly
I'm not seeing how this is any different from database postgres and role
postgres.
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postgres from joe", my "\c postgres joe" succeeded.
Because as mentioned previously you did not "revoke connect on database
postgres from public".
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tions
to a given database by a particular user by using settings in pg_hba.conf.
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talogs.
Thanks & Regards
Neeraj
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any of the
other system catalogs.
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& Regards
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On 5/12/22 03:39, Kieran McCusker wrote:
Please reply to list also
Ccing list.
Hi
Fedora 36 is there now but it is missing pg_cron - Is that intentional?
I don't know that is something you would need to ask the packagers:
https://yum.postgresql.org/contact/
Cheers
Kieran
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On 5/10/22 09:38, Kieran McCusker wrote:
Hi
Is there any timeline for a Fedora 36 repository as it should be
released today?
Looks like it is there:
https://yum.postgresql.org/packages/#pg14
Many thanks
Kieran
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:
https://www.postgresql.org/download/
As to migrating that would need more information:
1) Migrating from what version of Postgres?
2) Migrate as?:
a) Dump and then restore.
OR
b) pg_upgrade
Regards
Thirumurugan Rajamoorthy – Biometrics Support
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Does it make sense?
Yes:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/multibyte.html
"On Windows, however, UTF-8 encoding can be used with any locale."
Regards,
Jorge Maldonado
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c chcp 1252
Active code page: 1252
C:\Users\JorgeMal>chcp
Active code page: 1252
The result always included tables with *AspNet* in the name.
I am at a loss for an answer. I just don't use Windows enough to know
where to go from here.
Regards,
Jorge Maldonado
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* --exclude-table'*."AspNet*"'
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text only. The
information is then lost. Copy and paste from the console.
Back to the issue at hand:
1) Did you try the suggestion in the "Notes for Windows users" for the
riopoderoso database?
2) What was the pg_dump command that you used that worked?
With respect,
Jorge Mald
the file later by doing.
\e afiedt.buf
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THORIZATION;
SELECT pg_catalog.binary_upgrade_set_record_init_privs(false);
REVOKE ALL ON FUNCTION "public"."bt_index_check"("index" "regclass")
FROM "16416";
In other words why the role 16416 was GRANTed ALL then REVOKEd ALL on
the function?
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On 4/28/22 09:57, JORGE MALDONADO wrote:
Good day,
Here is the output to commands suggested by *Adrian Klaver*. Encoding is
the same in both client and server. Also, there are 7 tables I want to
exclude.
image.png
The version of source DB is 11, and target version is 14.
Regarding the
t to exclude these tables because they are created
and managed by other means. Such tables are part of the authentication
feature included in ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> Core.
With respect,
Jorge Maldonado
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this same error for pg_buffercache_pages() as well. They are
both c functions stored in libdir.
Can anyone point me towards where pg_dump is getting these outdated
permissions from please?
Thanks!
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On 4/26/22 20:11, Bruce Momjian wrote:
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 06:09:42PM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2022, Rich Shepard wrote:
I am curious what OS psql was using that was fixed by a re-login?
Rich uses Slackware.
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ax, somewhere since this morning you introduced a
hidden character into the string.
Thanks,
Rich
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On 4/26/22 2:53 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2022, Adrian Klaver wrote:
I'm guessing some sort of hidden character.
Adrian,
Oh, ... forgot to mention in my response that the MWE values were added to
the template in emacs while I get the same error using psql -d
-f
in a v.
character.
What client are you using to run this?
Where is the query string coming from?
TIA,
Rich
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s below."
And Examples is:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/app-pgdump.html#PG-DUMP-EXAMPLES
Respectfully,
Jorge Maldonado
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ta_changes
Thank you for your help.
Best regards,
Pradeep
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beloved ZFS, and as a lover I react. ;)
Be that as it may, the requested information is still needed.
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On 4/23/22 14:58, Peter wrote:
On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 02:11:00PM -0700, Adrian Klaver wrote:
! On 4/23/22 12:50, Peter wrote:
!
!
! > People seem to have been brainwashed by Web-Services and OLTP,
! > and now think the working set must always fit in memory. But this
! > is
recent years have
been that Postgres was/is to conservative in its default settings and is
not taking advantage of newer more powerful hardware.
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:regtype);
?column?
--
t
select pg_typeof(1::int) in ('text'::regtype, 'varchar'::regtype);
?column?
--
f
Thanks,
Karsten
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5B0E C98E 1713 AFA6 5BC0 3BEA AC80 7D4F C89B
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ersion 13. I also am not seeing, yet, where it was
removed in 14.
Is there anything obvious I am missing for easily
resurrecting the above "is of" use ?
Thanks,
Karsten
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d how
is it managed?
Regards,
Ram Pratap.
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-v",
"-F", "c",
"-d", $dbName,
"-h", "localhost",
"-p", "6488",
"-U", " backup_su",
"-f", $backupFile)
cmd /c $pgdumpCmd $pgdumpArgs 2`>`&1 | Out-File $pgdumpLogFile
Richard
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that actually is.
For my purposes keeping this logic in the database makes changing or
running multiple front ends easier. There is one place to change the
logic vs keeping the same logic in different front ends in potentially
different languages in sync. So for me it is common.
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On 4/20/22 10:23 AM, Thomas, Richard wrote:
Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 4/20/22 01:06, Thomas, Richard wrote:
The command used in a PowerShell script (run with Windows task scheduler)
to dump each database should evaluate to:
"C:\Program Files\PostgreSQL\10\bin\pg_dump.exe" -b
On 4/20/22 10:23 AM, Thomas, Richard wrote:
Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 4/20/22 01:06, Thomas, Richard wrote:
- pg_dump.exe executable is not excluded from McAfee on-access
scanning (although as recommended postgres.exe is)
Why not?
I would think the whole C:\Program Files\PostgreSQL\10\bin
ble
Best guess is that since you are not filtering on table_schema you are
seeing columns for tables with table_name=a_table across all schemas.
keeps listing columns that I can not see in the current table.
Why does this happen?
What is the solution?
Regards,
David
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On 4/20/22 01:06, Thomas, Richard wrote:
Adrian Klaver wrote:
What are the actual commands you are using to do the above?
The command used in a PowerShell script (run with Windows task scheduler) to
dump each database should evaluate to:
"C:\Program Files\PostgreSQL\10\bin\pg_dump.ex
DATE,
'2022-04-18'::DATE,
'1 DAY'
) as j(a) left join dat on j.a = dat.jour where dat.jour is null;
INSERT 0 14
Verify the dates where added then:
COMMIT;
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ggest what changes need to required in PG13 conf file.
Regards,
Ram Pratap.
-Original Message-----
From: Adrian Klaver [mailto:adrian.kla...@aklaver.com
<mailto:adrian.kla...@aklaver.com>]
Sent: 18 April 2022 21:30
To: Ram Pratap Maurya <mailto:ram.mau...@lavainternation
s creating the .backup file ..."
What are the actual commands you are using to do the above?
Richard
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password types.
So:
1) How where the Postgres instances installed on both machines?
2) What is the exact psql command you are using?
3) What is the complete error message?
Thanks,
Pete O'Such
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have a backup.
Regards,
Ajay
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 9:48 AM Adrian Klaver <mailto:adrian.kla...@aklaver.com>> wrote:
On 4/17/22 19:11, Ajay Kajla wrote:
> Thanks Adrian,
>
> 1. What if we re-create template0 and template1?
First I would determine
documentation.
Can you please suggest why huge archive log generated after upgrade
there any configure setting or this is Postgresql-13 behaviour.
Postgresql-13 Postgresql conf file attached for your references.
Regards,
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restore them if we have a folder backup of the data directory?
When was the backup done and how?
Are you sure it is a complete backup?
Do you have tablespaces,other then the default, in use?
Regards,
Ajay
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e database subdirectory "base/1" is missing.
Previous connection kept
postgres=#
With Regards,
Ajay Kajla
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r
an internal auditing purpose.
Thanks.
*/Warm regards,/**/
M Sonai Muthu Raja
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| Argument data types |
Type
+-+---+---+--
public | upc_check_digit | character varying | upc character varying |
func
(1 row)
regards, tom lane
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n, including volatility, parallel safety, owner, security
classification, access privileges, language, source code and description.
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he supplied arguments to the function in question are obviously bogus,
but the reaction is correct, including call to nested functions.
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a Postgres role or an application user?
Please do the needful since the information require for auditing purpose.
*/Warm regards,/**/
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Managed Delivery Services - DBA Support
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n occurred within a child process:
RuntimeError: /usr/local/opt/openssl@1.1 not present or broken
Please reinstall openssl@1.1. Sorry :(
Is openssl@1.1 actually at /usr/local/opt/ ?
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On 4/11/22 17:34, Tom Lane wrote:
Adrian Klaver writes:
On 4/11/22 16:10, Rob Sargent wrote:
I've just bumped into this.
barnard=> select public.genome_threshold_mono('a'::text,'b'::text);
ERROR: permission denied for schema public
LINE 1: select public.genome
what permissions the functions in public
have?
I've run those grants specifically naming public and all is well. Do I
need to add that to the installer script?
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On 4/8/22 11:23, Ron wrote:
On 4/8/22 13:07, Adrian Klaver wrote:
Hmm, I'm going to have to think on this.
The only thinking is: "That's a bug waiting to happen!"
That was my first inclination.
From here:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/plpgsql-control-str
On 4/8/22 10:58 AM, Pavel Stehule wrote:
pá 8. 4. 2022 v 19:56 odesílatel Adrian Klaver
Why is the three period form allowed through and why does it produce no
result?
Maybe
(2022-04-08 19:57:57) postgres=# select .10;
┌──┐
│ ?column? │
╞══╡
│ 0.10
6: FOR i IN 1.10 LOOP
respectively.
Why is the three period form allowed through and why does it produce no
result?
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On 4/7/22 11:25, Boris Zentner wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering why psql loose dashed comments and what can be done about this
misbehaviour.
See this recent thread:
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/265623A4-F304-4E68-90D0-343F614DB2B7%40americanefficient.com
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On 4/6/22 3:28 PM, Chris Bisnett wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:24 PM Adrian Klaver <mailto:adrian.kla...@aklaver.com>> wrote:
It can:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
<https://www.postgresql.org/docs
://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
Per-table value for vacuum_freeze_min_age parameter.
- chris
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e ext4 recovery mechanisms failed.
This makes me logical replication more appealing.
Laurent
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