Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-13 Thread Jeff Davis
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 19:40 -0800, omar wrote: > below.) This behavior is a feature, not a bug. A database is suppose to > store and retrieve data and it should not matter to the database what > format that data is in. The strong typing system found in most other SQL In my opinion, this is the

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-13 Thread Guy Fraser
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 08:07 -0300, Jorge Godoy wrote: > omar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm curious what people think about the following statement considering the > > database typing talk being brought up here. My experience is that more > > times > > than not I have to put data validati

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-10 Thread Jorge Godoy
omar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm curious what people think about the following statement considering the > database typing talk being brought up here. My experience is that more times > than not I have to put data validation in my client code even when it's > available on the server, if for

Data validation - was Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-09 Thread Ted Byers
- Original Message - From: "omar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database Tom, I promise this isn't a political statement, even though it's on the same thread. I'm curious what p

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-09 Thread omar
Tom, I promise this isn't a political statement, even though it's on the same thread. I'm curious what people think about the following statement considering the database typing talk being brought up here. My experience is that more times than not I have to put data validation in my client co

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/09/07 00:12, Patrick TJ McPhee wrote: [snip] > > To be fair, this is not "the tax system". It's a staging database > used for electronic filing, and it's pretty common to use typeless > databases in the first stage of that sort of application.

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-09 Thread Patrick TJ McPhee
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Huxton wrote: % http://www.thestar.com/News/article/189175 % % "For instance, in some cases the field for the social insurance number % was instead filled in with a birth date." % % Unbelievable. Sixty years of electronic computing, fifty years use in %

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-09 Thread Guy Fraser
Sorry everyone, my bad, but I should have expected it. I was not denigrating anyone, if you actually read what I said you can not conclude that I was. My entire point was that the Government does not hire the best qualified hardest working people regardless of their sex, culture, origin or any o

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Tom Lane
Omar Eljumaily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thank God the DOI is inefficient. If they were good at what they do, > which is generally malicious, we'd all be in trouble. Guys, this was off-topic to start with ... if you'd like to argue politics please take it to some other list ...

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Omar Eljumaily
Thank God the DOI is inefficient. If they were good at what they do, which is generally malicious, we'd all be in trouble. Your story reminded me of a dear friend who works for the department of the interior here in the US who routinely was dressed down for writing functional, reliable softwar

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 10:15, Ted Byers wrote: > > I recall being told by one project manager I knew years ago who had an > opportunity to create a bid for an RFP issued by Transport Canada (long long > ago). He refuse, so his employer prepared the bid. He refused because the > RFP was a joke

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Omar Eljumaily
Since this thread has already degraded, I'll offer my two cents. The biggest screw ups in US history have been instigated by groups of privileged White men. I know my name may sound otherwise, but I'm a White American male, so I'm not pointing the finger at another group. Let's see, Enron, A

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Ted Byers
> Richard Huxton wrote: >> http://www.thestar.com/News/article/189175 >> >> "For instance, in some cases the field for the social insurance number >> was instead filled in with a birth date." >> >> Unbelievable. Sixty years of electronic computing, fifty years use in >> business and the "professio

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Ted Byers
- Original Message - From: "Alan Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database On Thursday 08 March 2007 08:15, "Ted Byers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They would have satis

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Thursday 08 March 2007 08:15, "Ted Byers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They would have satisfied the terms of their contract > if, after a few years, and hundreds of man-years, they walked away > without delivering anything. That tragedy cost Canada hundreds of > millions, if not billions, of d

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Guy Fraser
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 09:15 -0500, Ted Byers wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Richard Huxton" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Databa

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Ted Byers
And due at least in part to government (and other institutions operated by damned fools) opting for the least expensive provider rather than paying for someone who actually knows what they're doing. Just as buying cheap junk always comes back to get you, hiring incompetent fools that don't kn

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Csaba Nagy
> And due at least in part to government (and other institutions operated by > damned fools) opting for the least expensive provider rather than paying for > someone who actually knows what they're doing. Just as buying cheap junk > always comes back to get you, hiring incompetent fools that do

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Ted Byers
- Original Message - From: "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Richard Huxton" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database Richard Huxton wrote: http://www.thestar.com/News/article/189175 "

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Richard Huxton
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Richard Huxton wrote: http://www.thestar.com/News/article/189175 "For instance, in some cases the field for the social insurance number was instead filled in with a birth date." Unbelievable. Sixty years of electronic computing, fifty years use in business and the "pr

Re: [GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Richard Huxton wrote: http://www.thestar.com/News/article/189175 "For instance, in some cases the field for the social insurance number was instead filled in with a birth date." Unbelievable. Sixty years of electronic computing, fifty years use in business and the "professionals" who built t

[GENERAL] OT: Canadian Tax Database

2007-03-08 Thread Richard Huxton
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/189175 "For instance, in some cases the field for the social insurance number was instead filled in with a birth date." Unbelievable. Sixty years of electronic computing, fifty years use in business and the "professionals" who built the tax system for a wea