Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
ful. > > The Migration section should be written like "If you are using ... then you > should be doing ... {before|after} upgrading." > > This can be inferred from many of the items, but several of them not. My initial reaction to this is to move "Migration" under

Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
. Yes, and that would make it hard to find the commit used for the change, which can be helpful for users. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sun, Aug 31, 2025 at 01:34:26PM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On 30.08.25 18:52, Tom Lane wrote: > > Bruce Momjian writes: > > > Second, the release note item added by this commit: > > > commit d1073c3b4cc > > > Author: Peter Eisentraut > >

Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 06:04:16PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > Actually, in this case, it caught an obvious missing attribution, so it > > actually helped, so let's not change it. > > Fair enough. I'd still like to put in the bit about &g

Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > * uuidv7 > > * WITHOUT OVERLAPS/PERIOD > > The 18beta1 announcement [0] has a good list, too. *facepalm* That one > seems to match mine pretty closely. Yes, the list usually comes from the press release. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB

Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
t; the $prev_leading_space updating logic to ignore blank lines.) I ran our existing script against all the release notes back to PG 13 and saw no change if we removed the parenthesis check. However, the check also caught the missing attribution so I am inclined now to change

Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 12:52:45PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > Second, the release note item added by this commit: > > commit d1073c3b4cc > > Author: Peter Eisentraut > > Date: Fri Aug 29 10:18:10 2025 +0200 > > > Unfortu

PG 18 relnotes and RC1

2025-08-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
ers using pg_upgrade, it is recommended to reindex all indexes related to full-text search and pg_trgm after the upgrade. --> § I can commit this once our RC1 git tree freeze is over. Is that Tuesday? -- Bruce Momjian https://mo

Re: plan shape work

2025-08-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
cute it, and extract information from > it that be used in future planning cycles, it's inconvenient. I am very interested in how plans can be used for future planning. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do n

Re: Changing the state of data checksums in a running cluster

2025-08-19 Thread Bruce Momjian
m where it was interrupted. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: Parallel Apply

2025-08-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 09:50:27AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 10:40 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Currently, PostgreSQL supports parallel apply only for large streaming > > > transactions (streaming=parallel). This proposal aims to extend >

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-08-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 11:38:33AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote: > On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 8:14 AM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I have committed the first draft of the PG 18 release notes. > > > > I think it is worth mentioning about commit > 7c99dc587a010a0c40d72a0e43

Re: Parallel Apply

2025-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
was pipelining: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_pipelining rather than trying to do all the steps in parallel. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: Enhance Makefiles to rebuild objects on map file changes

2025-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 11:58:12AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 11:41:46AM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote: > > On 2025-Aug-06, Chao Li wrote: > > > > > It looks weird. From > > > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/1CA8625F-AA41-4ED2-B60F-E

Re: Enhance Makefiles to rebuild objects on map file changes

2025-08-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
the email won't send an email with attachments. So I just went to 'View' and 'Edit Toolbar' and got rid of this very useless button. Now I have no more problems with certain emails not sending with attachments. -- Bruce Momjian https://m

Re: Doc update proposal for the note on log_statement in the runtime config for logging page

2025-07-29 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 07:35:51PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 04:24:14PM -0700, Daniel Bauman wrote: > > Here's where I think the logging is happening. https://github.com/postgres/ > > postgres/blob/master/src/backend/tcop/postgres.c#L1070 > >

Re: Doc update proposal for the note on log_statement in the runtime config for logging page

2025-07-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
by the log_statement = all setting, because the log message is emitted only after basic parsing has been done to determine the statement type. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 beta1 release notes misses mention of pg_noreturn

2025-07-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 03:06:23PM +0200, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > On 25 Jul 2025, at 00:22, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2025 at 06:23:52PM +0200, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > >>> On 2 Jul 2025, at 04:51, Steve Chavez wrote: > >> >

Re: Doc update proposal for the note on log_statement in the runtime config for logging page

2025-07-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > I believe the same applies to the PGAudit extension but I'm starting out here. Why do you think log_statement is best effort? -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: roles management problem after upgrading in PG 17

2025-07-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 12:11:22PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 10:07:38AM +0200, Fabrice Chapuis wrote: > > Thank you for your reply, Robert. > > My main goal was to report this observation, because I was surprised to see > > that in the dump

Re: roles management problem after upgrading in PG 17

2025-07-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
nts, I think the most we could do is to provide a link to a Postgres wiki page that contains queries that show if people are effected by the change. That way, no matter what method is used for upgrading, people can run those queries. We can also improve the wiki after the release. -- Bruce Momj

Re: libxml2 author overwhelmed with security requests

2025-07-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libxslt/-/commit/ > 923903c59d668af42e3144bc623c9190a0f65988 Where do we think our use of libxml2 is heading? Do you suspect security scanners will start negative reporting the use of libxml2? -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: vacuumdb changes for stats import/export

2025-07-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 07:47:47AM -0700, David G. Johnston wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 07:23 Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 02:45:10PM +0200, Frédéric Yhuel wrote: > > > > > > On 3/18/25 22:37, Nathan Bossart wrote: > &g

Re: vacuumdb changes for stats import/export

2025-07-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
without this option, not only will it analyze all tables, including ones that already have statistics, but will drop statistics on this tables that already have statistics for a brief period while it installs new statistics. During that period, the optimizer will not have any statistics for the t

Re: PG 18 beta1 release notes misses mention of pg_noreturn

2025-07-24 Thread Bruce Momjian
anges would be meaningless to non-extension authors. If we want to document this, we would need an extension-author specific release notes list. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: DOCS: What SGML markup to use for user objects like tables, columns, etc?

2025-07-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
and data types > > > TBH, this seemed like good advice to me... however there are quite a > few examples not following that. > > Thoughts? You are right that we are inconsistent. I think is the accepted way to reference table names, and for column names. If you can create a patch to make them consistent, I can apply it. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

pg_overexplain extension name

2025-07-14 Thread Bruce Momjian
I was thinking about the name of our new PG 18 pg_overexplain extension. "Over-explain" has a negative connotation, like how can over-explaining something be useful? Do we want that as the name of this new extension? -- Bruce Momjian https://momjia

Re: [PATCH] pg_bsd_indent: improve formatting of multiline comments

2025-06-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
s turned out not to be true. I always found it ironic that a tool designed to make source code easier to understand like BSD indent is so hard to understand. Its use of short variable names alone is confusing. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB

Re: [PATCH] pg_bsd_indent: improve formatting of multiline comments

2025-06-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
nly encode 23 of the 24 bytes. :-) */ > > Thanks for the review. You are right, these comments shouldn't be affected. > > It's going to be simpler to modify pgindent then. PFA the updated patch. Given the quality of BSD indent code, I have _always_ found it easier to modify pgindent. ;- -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: libxml2 author overwhelmed with security requests

2025-06-19 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 09:24:32PM +0200, Jim Jones wrote: > On 19.06.25 03:41, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > This blog post explains the serious problems the single libxml2 author > > is having in maintaining the library: > > > > > > https://socket.dev/blog/

libxml2 author overwhelmed with security requests

2025-06-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
* many projects don't have the resources we do -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: pglogical3 : support

2025-06-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
greSQL community doesn't support pglogical. You can contact > pglogical community for your questions on the same. FYI, I think the community is here: https://github.com/2ndQuadrant/pglogical -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-06-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 02:45:58PM -0400, Melanie Plageman wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:41 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 09:42:30AM -0400, Melanie Plageman wrote: > > > > > "Add an asynchronous I/O subsystem" > > >

Re: Proposal: Global Index for PostgreSQL

2025-06-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 05:51:25PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 03:28:38PM +0530, Dilip Kumar wrote: > There are certainly use cases where this would be helpful, but I think > the big question is whether it would have so many negatives that most > people who t

Re: Proposal: Global Index for PostgreSQL

2025-06-09 Thread Bruce Momjian
her it would have so many negatives that most people who try to use it would eventually remove it. I have heard that happened to other relational systems who support global indexes, so I think we have to consider that possibility. The problem is you might need to actually write the patch to find o

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-06-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 08:32:44PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 05:53:38PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 02:29:46PM -0700, Noah Misch wrote: > > > I agree with David G. Johnston's feedback on this. My draft didn't

Re: Enable data checksums by default

2025-06-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
lp if the default behavior changed, as in the > current case. Well, technically we would know the default from the old version, so we could infer the desired behavior. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urge

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-06-05 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 05:53:38PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 02:29:46PM -0700, Noah Misch wrote: > > I agree with David G. Johnston's feedback on this. My draft didn't mention > > SECURITY DEFINER, because I consider it redundant from a use

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-06-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
tive role in a non-temporary way. > Doing that will now have different effects than it did before. Yes, I wonder if we need to work that angle into the description. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not l

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-06-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
es other sources of user > identity. No need to mention it each time. Well, if it is a SECURITY DEFINER function, it is not going to be run as the user who is active at commit/execution time, so I think we have to specify that. -- Bruce Momjian

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-06-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 02:02:38PM -0700, David G. Johnston wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 1:45 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Now, if we do want to mention it, it should be done in a way that makes > it clear to readers whether they are affected by this change.  We can >

Re: pg_upgrade: warn about roles with md5 passwords

2025-06-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
hat most people don't see pg_upgrade output, and the case is even less positive. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-06-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 10:21:23AM -0700, Noah Misch wrote: > On Thu, May 01, 2025 at 10:44:50PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I have committd the first draft of the PG 18 release notes. > > When a commit changes the user that runs a function in existing queries, I > think

Re: pg18: Virtual generated columns are not (yet) safe when superuser selects from them

2025-06-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
htly different. Our existing system has users running triggers on tables that don't own as themselves, so the table owner has full control over what is in the triggers. If we were to switch it so users run triggers as the table owner, the users can't change the triggers --- the

Re: [PING] fallocate() causes btrfs to never compress postgresql files

2025-06-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
e the number on other file systems. I suppose it at least allows > experimentation. Consider that postgresql.conf is installed by initdb, so backpatching this is not going to add the setting to postgresql.conf unless we do some magic. That will be confusing to users. -- Bruce Momjian

Re: pg18: Virtual generated columns are not (yet) safe when superuser selects from them

2025-05-29 Thread Bruce Momjian
ond, I agree adding a SELECT security deficiency is certainly worse, but how are we expecting people to restore databases securely with these known deficiencies? Effectively, what good is our security system if it is just delaying someone from getting superuser privileges in case of a dump/re

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-29 Thread Bruce Momjian
e commits for the read stream users. Should we do that here > as well? Those are what enable those operations to use AIO. So, I added the read stream item to PG 17 since that was a new infrastructure feature, but for PG 18, we are just improving that internal infrastructure, so didn't mention

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
since their purposes are > related. I studied this and I can't figure out how to clearly explain it in a useful way. I am now thinking it is more of a bug or behavior fix or that would not be usually mentioned. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 02:54:29PM -0400, Joe Conway wrote: > On 5/27/25 17:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 10:20:08AM -0400, Joe Conway wrote: > > > On 5/23/25 09:47, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 09:54:54AM +0200, Álvaro H

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 11:25:03PM +0900, Yugo Nagata wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2025 23:14:36 +0900 > Yugo Nagata wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:44:50 -0400 > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > I have committd the first draft of the PG 18 release notes

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-28 Thread Bruce Momjian
9ab and c4e44224cf6 > which were part of the same work. > > I think it's also worth mentioning 9428c001f67, which sped up numeric > division. That can be included in the same item, as in the attached > patch, unless you think it's worth listing it as a separate item. Great,

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-27 Thread Bruce Momjian
se warnings can be disabled by setting the > md5_password_warnings parameter to "off". Agree, I have replaced the item text with your text. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-27 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 08:13:24AM +1000, Peter Smith wrote: > Hi, > > There seems to be some unexpected ">" here: > > "E.1.3.7.3. Logical Replication Applications>" Yes, a mistake, fixed. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-27 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 10:20:08AM -0400, Joe Conway wrote: > On 5/23/25 09:47, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 09:54:54AM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote: > > > I also think that showing an XML-ish format of a commit message is > > > unhelpful, not to menti

Re: Enable data checksums by default

2025-05-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
lso heard of cases where postgresql.conf must be modified for pg_upgrade to succeed, and of course initdb installs postgresql.conf. Should #5 be after #6? -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:01:13AM -0400, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 10:24 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I see your point that we are not defining what this does. I went with > > the attached text. > > You propose the wording is "This allows muti-co

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 03:16:51PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Thu, May 01, 2025 at 10:44:50PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I will continue improving it until beta 1, and until the final release. > > I will probably add markup in 1-3 weeks. Let the feedback begin.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 09:54:54AM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote: > On 2025-May-20, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 05:15:54PM +0300, Nazir Bilal Yavuz wrote: > > > > As of the date of the commit, "Co-authored-by:" is listed as: > > > &g

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:46:09AM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote: > On 2025-May-22, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Ah, I see, fixed with the attached patch. It might be nice if we had a > > more organized way of recording such commit corrections. > > `git notes` can do that.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 08:19:15AM +0530, vignesh C wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 at 08:14, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I have committd the first draft of the PG 18 release notes. The item > > count looks strong: > > > > I will continue improving it until be

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
by the apparent naming conflict. Yes, I understand this "loose index scan" feature as preventing DISTINCT from traversing all matching indexed values, and then removing duplicates. Rather it stops after finding the first match for each distinct value. -- Bruce Momjian

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 05:57:07PM -0400, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 10:44 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I have committd the first draft of the PG 18 release notes. > > I suggest that you use something like the following wording for the > skip scan feature:

Re: Retiring some encodings?

2025-05-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
greed on notification. A radical idea would be to add a warning for the use of such encodings in PG 18, and then mention their deprecation in the PG 18 release notes so everyone is informed they will be removed in PG 19. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB

Re: Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
kdwqcdn2x1_63c58+07oy4z+rudk_xptup+pe8r...@mail.gmail.com > > and there is another wiki page > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Variable_Design Yes, these URLs are very helpful, thanks. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb

Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
(outside PL/pgSQL). > We can talk about other features like temporal, default values, transactional, > etc ... I feel that if we haven't found a good solution to this in 13 years, we should assume it is unsolvable and just accept an imperfect solution. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 07:15:27AM +0200, Pavel Stehule wrote: > út 20. 5. 2025 v 23:07 odesílatel Bruce Momjian napsal: > > If no committer intends to pick it up and commit it, I think the proper > > action would be to step up and reject the patch set, not complain

Re: Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:28:31PM +0200, Pavel Stehule wrote: > út 20. 5. 2025 v 18:39 odesílatel Bruce Momjian napsal: > I sent a reduced version a few months ago - from 21 patches to 8 (and it can > be > reduced to six if we postpone tools for detection ambiguity). > The

Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:36:54PM +0200, Laurenz Albe wrote: > On Tue, 2025-05-20 at 16:28 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Well, we do have a right, e.g., we would not allow someone to repeatedly > > post patches for a Postgres extension we don't manage, or the jdbc >

Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 08:47:36PM +0200, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > On 20 May 2025, at 18:39, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > My only point is that we should only be using email lists for work that > > is being actively worked on to be added to community Postgres. There >

Re: Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 01:33:18PM -0300, Marcos Pegoraro wrote: > Em ter., 20 de mai. de 2025 às 11:56, Bruce Momjian > escreveu: > > I will again ask why this patch set is being reposted when there is no > plan to apply it to git master > > Too bad. I wo

Re: Suggestion: Update Copyright Year to 2025 in Recently Added Files

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
s is automated by src/tools/copyright.pl on a yearly-basis, > > but it is possible that holes appear when some code gets committed > > that predates the new year. > > I had the idea that this was part of our pre-branch checklist, > but it was not mentioned there. I added it. I only ru

Re: Re: proposal: schema variables

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 08:48:37AM +0200, Pavel Stehule wrote: > Hi > > fresh rebase I will again ask why this patch set is being reposted when there is no plan to apply it to git master? -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
-by:" guidance was only written down in January of this year. I assume Thomas Munro was following that guidance when he wrote the commit message. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 03:46:44PM +0300, Nazir Bilal Yavuz wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for working on this! > > On Fri, 2 May 2025 at 05:44, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I will continue improving it until beta 1, and until the final release. > > I will probably

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
patibility section because there were new features mixed into the process so I listed them in the main section. I thought that was the proper balance. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
tems that would be interesting to extension developers that adding just a few to the release notes would not be very helpful, and if we add all of them it would be distracting for the majority of users. It might be helpful for someone to write a wiki page specifically for that audie

Re: Request for Implementation of Custom Error Messages for CHECK Constraints

2025-05-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 11:22:21AM -0700, David G. Johnston wrote: > On Monday, May 12, 2025, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Yeah, you could name the constraint > "Custom_error_message_when_the_condition_is_not_met." and then just > convert underscore to spaces and

Re: Request for Implementation of Custom Error Messages for CHECK Constraints

2025-05-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
gt; It's also not very clear why we'd stop with check constraints, > if the desire is to get rid of database-produced error messages > in favor of something that somebody likes better. Yeah, you could name the constraint "Custom_error_message_when_the_condition_is_not_met.&

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-09 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:38:06AM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 at 14:44, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I will continue improving it until beta 1, and until the final release. > > I will probably add markup in 1-3 weeks. Let the feedback begin. ;-) > > Minor

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-09 Thread Bruce Momjian
ompute CRC values" Thanks, fixed. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-09 Thread Bruce Momjian
are used in grouping sets. Okay, that is clear. Let's stay with what we have in the release notes and see if we get any feedback from users during the beta period; that might give us direction on whether we want to expand what we already have. Thanks. -- Bruce Momjian https://momj

Re: PostgreSQL 18 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2025-05-09 Thread Bruce Momjian
uces the CASEFOLD to help introduces CASEFOLD to help and also adds the ssl_tls13_ciphers to let and also adds ssl_tls13_ciphers to let ^ and surfaces this information and reports this information ^^^ -- Bruce Momjian https:/

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-08 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 07:46:11PM +0900, Richard Guo wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 5:41 AM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 03:03:32PM +0900, Richard Guo wrote: > > > I'm wondering if we should consider mentioning that several > > > long-standing

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-08 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 03:45:00PM +0800, jian he wrote: > On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 10:44 AM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > release-18: 209 > > > > I will continue improving it until beta 1, and until the final release. > > I will probably add markup in 1

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 01:16:45PM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Thu, 8 May 2025 at 13:11, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Ah, I see those now. It was two commits. For some reason the edits are > > hard for me; applied patch attached. > > Thanks. There's been lots of

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 12:47:22PM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Thu, 8 May 2025 at 12:36, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > +Change pg_backend_memory_contexts.level and > > pg_log_backend_memory_contexts()() to be one-based (Melih Mutlu, Fujii > > Masao) > > There'

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 09:33:49AM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 at 14:44, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > You can see the most current HTML-built version here: > > > > https://momjian.us/pgsql_docs/release-18.html > > You might have left it out on

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 07:59:41PM +0900, Yugo Nagata wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:44:50 -0400 > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > I have committd the first draft of the PG 18 release notes. The item > > count looks strong: > > Thank you for working on this. > >

Re: PostgreSQL 18 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2025-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
will be > removed in a future release" in the beta announcement, as that could lead to > confusion (e.g. it's removed in beta 2!). I'm fine with adding that in the You could say "will be removed in a future major release". -- Bruce Momjian https://m

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 03:03:32PM +0900, Richard Guo wrote: > On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 11:44 AM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I have committd the first draft of the PG 18 release notes. > > > I will continue improving it until beta 1, and until the final release. > >

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 09:27:14AM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2025 at 07:44, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I think what you are saying is that this has to do with partition > > processing of joins, but not the pruning process. I don't think a > > non-partiti

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
sonb NULL values to be cast to scalar types as NULL (Tom Lane) § > Previously such casts generated an error. > > here should be "jsonb null values", since we can not do ``select > 'NULL'::jsonb;`` All fixed in the attached applied patch. -- Bruce Momjian

Re: PostgreSQL 18 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2025-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
ctually, is AIO using worker processes new behavior or just a new implementation of our old behavior? I might need to point that out in the release notes. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 10:18:27PM +0800, jian he wrote: > Allow partitions to be pruned more efficienty (Ashutosh Bapat, Yuya > Watari, David Rowley) § § > typo, "efficienty" should be "efficiently"? Yes, fixed from other email report. My spellcheck filter was

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
20x faster with 1000 partitions. > > * Planning time improvements: Planning certain commonly used queries > against partitioned tables when they don’t use partition pruning is > now roughly 20x faster with 1000 partitions. That's impressive! -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 03:14:56PM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Tue, 6 May 2025 at 03:59, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 09:42:10PM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > > > I agree that 88f55bc97 and d69d45a5a should be in their own item. > > >

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-05 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 04:12:16PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > Capitalization changed, patch attached. > > I need to start wrapping the tarballs soon ... are you done > with the release notes for today? Yes, I am, thanks for asking. I was waiting fo

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-05 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 12:20:15PM -0700, Jacob Champion wrote: > On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 7:44 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > https://momjian.us/pgsql_docs/release-18.html > > > +Add support for the "oauth" authentication (Jacob Champion, Daniel > > Gustaf

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-05 Thread Bruce Momjian
gt; for consitency. > > Or: I went with the A option, patch attached. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future. diff --git a/doc/src/sgml

Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed

2025-05-05 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 10:14:22PM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 at 14:44, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > You can see the most current HTML-built version here: > > > > https://momjian.us/pgsql_docs/release-18.html > > Thanks for working on t

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