Hi,
This is my first post on the list. My name is Antonio. I am a CS grad
student and my field of study is about databases and information retrieval.
To get some practical knowledge, I've been studying Postgresql codebase for
a while.
Now I would like to contribute with some code and I've chosen
Hi,
This is my first post on the list. My name is Antonio. I am a CS grad
student and my field of study is about databases and information retrieval.
To get some practical knowledge, I've been studying Postgresql codebase for
a while.
Now I would like to contribute with some code and I've chosen
On 12/27/17 15:18, Antonio Belloni wrote:
> I checked the code of pg_tablespace_databases, defined in
> src/backend/utils/adt/misc.c, and see that it uses a much simpler
> approach : It just reads the tablespaces directories and return the name
> of the directories that represents databases OIDs.
On 28 December 2017 at 23:05, Peter Eisentraut <
peter.eisentr...@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
> On 12/27/17 15:18, Antonio Belloni wrote:
> > I checked the code of pg_tablespace_databases, defined in
> > src/backend/utils/adt/misc.c, and see that it uses a much simpler
> > approach : It just reads the
On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Craig Ringer wrote:
> Well, it's arguably solveable, if the solution is to allow at least limited
> cross-database access to catalog relations.
I think this is a bad idea. It's bound to add complexity and
fragility to the system and I don't think it's worth it.
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> project ideas, and that's bad.
It would be great if the TODO list was deleted IMV.
Choosing the right project is one of the hardest and most important
parts of successfu
On 1 January 2018 at 03:27, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Robert Haas
> wrote:
> > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> > project ideas, and that's bad.
>
> It would be great if the TODO list was deleted IMV.
>
> Choosing the right
On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
> I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
That might actually be useful.
--
Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
On 2 January 2018 at 17:52, Peter Eisentraut
wrote:
> On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
>> I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
>
> That might actually be useful.
Yep, agreed. Though it might do better to describe it in *slightly*
more positive terms, and/or
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:52:37PM -0500, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
> > I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
>
> That might actually be useful.
+1. When I do refer to a TODO entry, it's usually because the entry bears a
lis
Noah, all,
* Noah Misch (n...@leadboat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:52:37PM -0500, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
> > > I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
> >
> > That might actually be useful.
>
> +1. When I do
Sorry, but I did not want to start a flaming war against the TODO list with
my first message. In all the other open source projects I have contributed
code, the TODO list is always a start point to newcomers. There's no
explicit message in the Postgresql TODO list saying that the projects there
are
Antonio Belloni wrote:
> Sorry, but I did not want to start a flaming war against the TODO list with
> my first message. In all the other open source projects I have contributed
> code, the TODO list is always a start point to newcomers. There's no
> explicit message in the Postgresql TODO list say
On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
> I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
That might actually be useful.
--
Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
On 2 January 2018 at 17:52, Peter Eisentraut
wrote:
> On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
>> I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
>
> That might actually be useful.
Yep, agreed. Though it might do better to describe it in *slightly*
more positive terms, and/or
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:52:37PM -0500, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
> > I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
>
> That might actually be useful.
+1. When I do refer to a TODO entry, it's usually because the entry bears a
lis
Noah, all,
* Noah Misch (n...@leadboat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:52:37PM -0500, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > On 12/31/17 22:43, Craig Ringer wrote:
> > > I'd rather rename it the "stuck, hard and abandoned projects list" ;)
> >
> > That might actually be useful.
>
> +1. When I do
Sorry, but I did not want to start a flaming war against the TODO list with
my first message. In all the other open source projects I have contributed
code, the TODO list is always a start point to newcomers. There's no
explicit message in the Postgresql TODO list saying that the projects there
are
Antonio Belloni wrote:
> Sorry, but I did not want to start a flaming war against the TODO list with
> my first message. In all the other open source projects I have contributed
> code, the TODO list is always a start point to newcomers. There's no
> explicit message in the Postgresql TODO list say
On 12/27/17 15:18, Antonio Belloni wrote:
> I checked the code of pg_tablespace_databases, defined in
> src/backend/utils/adt/misc.c, and see that it uses a much simpler
> approach : It just reads the tablespaces directories and return the name
> of the directories that represents databases OIDs.
On 28 December 2017 at 23:05, Peter Eisentraut <
peter.eisentr...@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
> On 12/27/17 15:18, Antonio Belloni wrote:
> > I checked the code of pg_tablespace_databases, defined in
> > src/backend/utils/adt/misc.c, and see that it uses a much simpler
> > approach : It just reads the
On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Craig Ringer wrote:
> Well, it's arguably solveable, if the solution is to allow at least limited
> cross-database access to catalog relations.
I think this is a bad idea. It's bound to add complexity and
fragility to the system and I don't think it's worth it.
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> project ideas, and that's bad.
It would be great if the TODO list was deleted IMV.
Choosing the right project is one of the hardest and most important
parts of successfu
On 1 January 2018 at 03:27, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Robert Haas
> wrote:
> > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> > project ideas, and that's bad.
>
> It would be great if the TODO list was deleted IMV.
>
> Choosing the right
Robert Haas writes:
> Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> project ideas, and that's bad.
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
into it ...
Robert Haas writes:
> Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> project ideas, and that's bad.
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
into it ...
Tom, Robert, all,
* Tom Lane (t...@sss.pgh.pa.us) wrote:
> Robert Haas writes:
> > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> > project ideas, and that's bad.
>
> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
> worth keeping it around. But I'd
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Robert Haas writes:
> > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> > project ideas, and that's bad.
>
> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
> worth keeping it around. But I'd rather
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
> worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
> into it ...
If somebody was going to resolve to put some effort into maintaining
it to a high standard
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
>> worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
>> into it ...
>
> If somebody was going to r
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:
> The todo entry even talks about why it's difficult to do and what the
> expected way to go about doing it is (that is, connect to each database
> that has objects in the tablespace and query it to find out what's in
> the tablespace). Craig'
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:02 PM, David G. Johnston
wrote:
> It probably needs three sub-sections. Fist the raw ideas put forth by
> people not capable of implementation but needing capabilities; these get
> moved to one of two sections: ideas that have gotten some attention by core
> that have me
Robert,
* Robert Haas (robertmh...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > The todo entry even talks about why it's difficult to do and what the
> > expected way to go about doing it is (that is, connect to each database
> > that has objects in the tablespace
On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
into i
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's no
Greetings,
* Patrick Krecker (pkrec...@gmail.com) wrote:
> As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can
> offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing
> *some* starting point for new contributors in the form of concrete
> problems to solve. The value I
On 3 January 2018 at 13:12, Patrick Krecker wrote:
> As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can
> offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing
> *some* starting point for new contributors in the form of concrete
> problems to solve. The value I hope
On 01/03/2018 03:50 AM, David Rowley wrote:
> On 3 January 2018 at 13:12, Patrick Krecker wrote:
>> As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can
>> offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing
>> *some* starting point for new contributors in the form o
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:02 PM, David G. Johnston
> wrote:
> > It probably needs three sub-sections. Fist the raw ideas put forth by
> > people not capable of implementation but needing capabilities; these get
> > moved to one of two section
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Joshua D. Drake
wrote:
> On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>>>
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
I think deleting the TODO list is a bad idea -- it contains very useful
pointers to previous discussion on hard topics.
Jeff Janes wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> > It also has a note at the top saying we think it's complete, but we
> > don't think that, or I don'
On 01/03/2018 07:49 AM, Jeff Janes wrote:
O.k. what does it tell us though? Is it a resource issue? Is it a
barrier of entry issue?
Lack of ownership/ruthlessness. While I can edit it to remove items
that don't seem desirable (or comprehensible, or whatever) I'm not
likely to do so, unless
On 1/3/18 11:10, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> This text was added by [1] as saying:
> > This list contains '''some known PostgreSQL bugs and feature
> > requests''' and we hope it contains all such
> (before this, it said "all known Pg bugs" which seemed too optimistic,
> so the correction w
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Heck we could go a step further and actually allow (authenticated) voting on
> various features. This would provide the community the ability to more
> easily interact with -hackers on various features that would be desirable.
There's already https://postgresql.uservoice.
On 01/03/2018 09:00 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
There's already https://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/21853-general
which seems to work pretty well. Here's the list of completed items:
https://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/21853-general?status_id=124172
Well that's in
On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
into i
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's no
Greetings,
* Patrick Krecker (pkrec...@gmail.com) wrote:
> As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can
> offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing
> *some* starting point for new contributors in the form of concrete
> problems to solve. The value I
On 3 January 2018 at 13:12, Patrick Krecker wrote:
> As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can
> offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing
> *some* starting point for new contributors in the form of concrete
> problems to solve. The value I hope
On 01/03/2018 03:50 AM, David Rowley wrote:
> On 3 January 2018 at 13:12, Patrick Krecker wrote:
>> As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can
>> offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing
>> *some* starting point for new contributors in the form o
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:02 PM, David G. Johnston
> wrote:
> > It probably needs three sub-sections. Fist the raw ideas put forth by
> > people not capable of implementation but needing capabilities; these get
> > moved to one of two section
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Joshua D. Drake
wrote:
> On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>>>
If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
I think deleting the TODO list is a bad idea -- it contains very useful
pointers to previous discussion on hard topics.
Jeff Janes wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> > It also has a note at the top saying we think it's complete, but we
> > don't think that, or I don'
On 01/03/2018 07:49 AM, Jeff Janes wrote:
O.k. what does it tell us though? Is it a resource issue? Is it a
barrier of entry issue?
Lack of ownership/ruthlessness. While I can edit it to remove items
that don't seem desirable (or comprehensible, or whatever) I'm not
likely to do so, unless
On 1/3/18 11:10, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> This text was added by [1] as saying:
> > This list contains '''some known PostgreSQL bugs and feature
> > requests''' and we hope it contains all such
> (before this, it said "all known Pg bugs" which seemed too optimistic,
> so the correction w
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Heck we could go a step further and actually allow (authenticated) voting on
> various features. This would provide the community the ability to more
> easily interact with -hackers on various features that would be desirable.
There's already https://postgresql.uservoice.
On 01/03/2018 09:00 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
There's already https://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/21853-general
which seems to work pretty well. Here's the list of completed items:
https://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/21853-general?status_id=124172
Well that's in
Tom, Robert, all,
* Tom Lane (t...@sss.pgh.pa.us) wrote:
> Robert Haas writes:
> > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> > project ideas, and that's bad.
>
> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
> worth keeping it around. But I'd
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Robert Haas writes:
> > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of
> > project ideas, and that's bad.
>
> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
> worth keeping it around. But I'd rather
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
> worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
> into it ...
If somebody was going to resolve to put some effort into maintaining
it to a high standard
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not
>> worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort
>> into it ...
>
> If somebody was going to r
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:
> The todo entry even talks about why it's difficult to do and what the
> expected way to go about doing it is (that is, connect to each database
> that has objects in the tablespace and query it to find out what's in
> the tablespace). Craig'
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:02 PM, David G. Johnston
wrote:
> It probably needs three sub-sections. Fist the raw ideas put forth by
> people not capable of implementation but needing capabilities; these get
> moved to one of two sections: ideas that have gotten some attention by core
> that have me
Robert,
* Robert Haas (robertmh...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > The todo entry even talks about why it's difficult to do and what the
> > expected way to go about doing it is (that is, connect to each database
> > that has objects in the tablespace
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