Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:29:43PM +, Greg Stark wrote: The main advantage would be for circumstances such as the Windows installer where users are installing precompiled binaries. They don't get an opportunity to choose the block size at all. (Similarly for users of binary-only commercial

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 13:53 +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:29:43PM +, Greg Stark wrote: The main advantage would be for circumstances such as the Windows installer where users are installing precompiled binaries. They don't get an opportunity to choose

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Gregory Stark
Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes: On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 13:53 +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:29:43PM +, Greg Stark wrote: The main advantage would be for circumstances such as the Windows installer where users are installing precompiled

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 15:29 +, Gregory Stark wrote: Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes: I think that is an understatement. I would say 99% of postgresql users do NOT compile from source. Heck the only time I compile from source is when I need to fix mis-configured defaults

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Tom Lane
Gregory Stark st...@enterprisedb.com writes: So has anyone here done any experiments with live systems with different block sizes? What were your experiences? That should really have been the *first* question. We are not going to make this a tunable unless there is some pretty strong evidence

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:47 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Gregory Stark st...@enterprisedb.com writes: So has anyone here done any experiments with live systems with different block sizes? What were your experiences? That should really have been the *first* question. We are not going to

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Tom Lane
Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes: On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:47 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: ... Aside from the implementation costs of making it variable, there is the oft repeated refrain that Postgres has too many configuration knobs already. Well that too many knobs argument doesn't

Re: [HACKERS] Prepping to break every past release...

2009-03-14 Thread decibel
On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Back on that track, I'd like to see a facility whereby we could provide an alias (or synonym, to use a nearby subject) columns and other objects. That would help to overcome naming glitches without breaking things quite so much. Believe it or

Re: [HACKERS] hstore improvements?

2009-03-14 Thread decibel
On Mar 13, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Or we could increase the size of hstore values so as to provide more than 32 bits total for this, but that would presumably be pessimal for all existing applications; there is evidently no one using more than 64K, or we'd have heard complaints

[HACKERS] Over-rigidity in recent to_timestamp() rewrite

2009-03-14 Thread Tom Lane
Whilst poking at bug #4702 I noticed that PG CVS HEAD rejects use of AD/BC notation, as well as CC (separate century) fields, in combination with ISO-style day numbers. I don't see the point of this. It's historically inaccurate, no doubt, but so is use of Gregorian counting. So I suggest the

Re: [HACKERS] Over-rigidity in recent to_timestamp() rewrite

2009-03-14 Thread David Fetter
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 01:39:35PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Whilst poking at bug #4702 I noticed that PG CVS HEAD rejects use of AD/BC notation, as well as CC (separate century) fields, in combination with ISO-style day numbers. I don't see the point of this. It's historically inaccurate, no

Re: [HACKERS] Should SET ROLE inherit config params?

2009-03-14 Thread Josh Berkus
Gregory Stark wrote: Guillaume Smet guillaume.s...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: SET ROLE special WITH SETTINGS ... or similar; I'd need to find an existing keyword which works. Perhaps something like SET ROLE special NEW SESSION;.

Re: [HACKERS] hstore improvements?

2009-03-14 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom Lane wrote: I wrote: If we wanted to keep the lengths in the same 32 bits they presumably occupy now, what about splitting 8/24 (= 255 bytes for key, 24MB for value)? Sigh, fingers faster than brain today. A 24-bit length field could represent lengths up to 16MB, not 24MB. Still, it

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] again...

2009-03-14 Thread Gurjeet Singh
Hi All, Acting on a customer's report I analyzed this bug, and have found a fix for it. It is not a critical error, but it definitely is a bug, and can have security implications. This error is raised from syslogger.c, and since this sub-process is not responsible for any backend

Re: [HACKERS] Column Aliases WAS: Prepping to break every past release...

2009-03-14 Thread Josh Berkus
Jim, Yes, I think aliasing (especially at the table level) would be handy. We already *have* table aliases. They're called views. What we don't have is column aliases. However, for column aliases to be really useful for more than just application refactoring, we'd have to support

Re: [HACKERS] [BUGS] log : bad file dscriptor????

2009-03-14 Thread Gurjeet Singh
--- Sorry about the previous mail; that did not have the proper subject line (for no fault of mine) Hi All, Acting on a customer's report I analyzed this bug, and have found a fix for it. It is not a critical error, but it definitely is a bug, and can have security implications. This

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom Lane wrote: Gregory Stark st...@enterprisedb.com writes: So has anyone here done any experiments with live systems with different block sizes? What were your experiences? Mark tested this back in the OSDL days. His findings on DBT2 was that the right *combination* of OS and PG

Re: [HACKERS] parallel restore item dependencies

2009-03-14 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: I wrote: Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes: In my original patch, I looked at all the dependencies of a candidate item ansd compared them with the dependencies of the running items to see if there was a potential locking clash. However, Tom in his admirable

Re: [HACKERS] hstore improvements?

2009-03-14 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes: As an hstore user, I'd be fine with simply limiting it to 64K (or, heck, 8K) and throwing an error. I'd also be fine with limiting keys to 255 bytes, although we'd have to warn people. Yeah, 255 might well be more of a problem than the other limit. We

Re: [HACKERS] Should SET ROLE inherit config params?

2009-03-14 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes: What I want to be able to do is to set different bunches of resource management settings for various non-login inherited roles, and be able to choose profiles via a SET ROLE. The reason to do this, btw, instead of defining various login roles, is that

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Josh Berkus wrote: However, at Greenplum I remember determining that larger PG block sizes, if matched with larger filesystem block sizes did significantly help on performance of data warehouses which do a lot of seq scans -- but that our ceiling of 32K was still too small to really

[HACKERS] hstore patch, part 1

2009-03-14 Thread Andrew Gierth
This is just the fix for hstore's silent truncation, including doc patch and regression test. Actual new functionality will follow later in another patch. -- Andrew. Index: contrib/hstore/hstore.h === RCS file:

Re: [HACKERS] Has anybody think about changing BLCKSZ to an option of initdb?

2009-03-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 12:25 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes: On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:47 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: ... Aside from the implementation costs of making it variable, there is the oft repeated refrain that Postgres has too many configuration

Re: [HACKERS] Over-rigidity in recent to_timestamp() rewrite

2009-03-14 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Whilst poking at bug #4702 I noticed that PG CVS HEAD rejects use of AD/BC notation, as well as CC (separate century) fields, in combination with ISO-style day numbers.  I don't see the point of this.  It's historically