On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Bruce,
>>
>> > I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
>> > can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
>> > is logical that I would want some kind of test to see tha
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> > I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
> > can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
> > is logical that I would want some kind of test to see that the method I
> > didn't think would work would actually w
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> > I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
> > can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
> > is logical that I would want some kind of test to see that the method I
> > didn't think would work would actually w
Bruce,
> I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
> can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
> is logical that I would want some kind of test to see that the method I
> didn't think would work would actually work.
What about Robert's sugge
Robert Haas wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >> As far as the release notes, I think we would have to have proof that
> >> the alpha-generated release notes are as good or close to the quality of
> >> the release notes using the current process. ?If they are, we can use
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> As far as the release notes, I think we would have to have proof that
>> the alpha-generated release notes are as good or close to the quality of
>> the release notes using the current process. If they are, we can use
>> them for 8.6, or even f
Bruce,
> As far as the release notes, I think we would have to have proof that
> the alpha-generated release notes are as good or close to the quality of
> the release notes using the current process. If they are, we can use
> them for 8.6, or even for 8.5 if the quality is similar, but we can't
"Joshua D. Drake" wrote:
>> Tom Lane wrote:
>>
>> > we need something that is alphanumerically less than "beta".
> 1stCF09
> 2ndCF09
> 3rdCF09
Ah, but those would sort higher than letters in EBCDIC
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On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 16:34 -0500, Kevin Grittner wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > we need something that is alphanumerically less than "beta".
>
> antebeta1?
>
> Then, each commit-fest, we up the ante
1stCF09
2ndCF09
3rdCF09
>
> -Kevin
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"Kevin Grittner" writes:
> Tom Lane wrote:
>> we need something that is alphanumerically less than "beta".
> antebeta1?
> Then, each commit-fest, we up the ante
rotfl...
Actually just "ante1" would work better for that joke.
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Tom Lane wrote:
> we need something that is alphanumerically less than "beta".
antebeta1?
Then, each commit-fest, we up the ante
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Bruce Momjian wrote:
I would much rather
they be called Commit Feast 1 (CF1), or something like that.
ITYM "Fest", although sometimes we make a meal of it ;-)
cheers
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> As far as the alpha releases, I am still worried about the use of the
> word "alpha". I am worried someone is going to look at 8.4alpha1 and
> think that represents most of the features that will be in 8.5final, and
> will think the Postgres project is losing momentum. I would much rather
> the
Bruce Momjian writes:
> As far as the alpha releases, I am still worried about the use of the
> word "alpha". I am worried someone is going to look at 8.4alpha1 and
> think that represents most of the features that will be in 8.5final, and
> will think the Postgres project is losing momentum. I
Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> > What I would like to avoid is a situation where we're basically ready
> > to go with beta and Bruce says, "Hold on, everybody, it's going to
> > take another two weeks while I plow through 600 commit messages." I
> > have a theory that that work can be spread out and much
> What I would like to avoid is a situation where we're basically ready
> to go with beta and Bruce says, "Hold on, everybody, it's going to
> take another two weeks while I plow through 600 commit messages." I
> have a theory that that work can be spread out and much of it done in
> advance and
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 August 2009 18:52:06 Robert Haas wrote:
>> I'm willing to help if these are "8.5 release notes in process". I'm
>> not willing to help if they are "alpha release notes that will be
>> thrown away afterwards". Which is it?
>
>
Magnus,
I don't think we should keep an archive of "old alphas" though -
that's going to leave us with insane amounts of documentation sets.
But we could have a /docs/alpha/ which would hold the latest released
alpha.
Yes, that's perfect.
For that matter, for the release notes, I wasn't plann
I have some reservations about the former approach. It would basically commit
us right now to having a consistent set of volunteers available every two
months within specific 1-2 day spans. Which is the sort of thing I wanted to
avoid. But if we have that commitment, then go for it.
Can we
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 18:52:06 Robert Haas wrote:
> I'm willing to help if these are "8.5 release notes in process". I'm
> not willing to help if they are "alpha release notes that will be
> thrown away afterwards". Which is it?
I was working on the latter assumption.
I have some reservatio
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Robert Haas writes:
>> I'm willing to help if these are "8.5 release notes in process". I'm
>> not willing to help if they are "alpha release notes that will be
>> thrown away afterwards". Which is it?
>
> That depends largely on what they look
Robert Haas writes:
> I'm willing to help if these are "8.5 release notes in process". I'm
> not willing to help if they are "alpha release notes that will be
> thrown away afterwards". Which is it?
That depends largely on what they look like when we get to beta,
I imagine. Are you asking for
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Robert Haas writes:
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>>> That would be great, but who's going to do them?
>
>> I think the question is "who are you going to allow to do them?".
>
> You misread that entirely. What I was pointing
Robert Haas writes:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>> That would be great, but who's going to do them?
> I think the question is "who are you going to allow to do them?".
You misread that entirely. What I was pointing out was that we didn't
have a volunteer to expend the non
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut writes:
>> On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>>> Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
>>> going to have release notes?
>
>> There will still be release notes. They might n
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 17:48:12 Tom Lane wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut writes:
> > On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
> >> going to have release notes?
> >
> > There will still be release notes. They
Tom Lane wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut writes:
> > On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
> >> going to have release notes?
>
> > There will still be release notes. They might not be as polished as the
>
Peter Eisentraut writes:
> On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
>> going to have release notes?
> There will still be release notes. They might not be as polished as the
> final
> ones, but there wil
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 16:06, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> On Monday 03 August 2009 23:08:51 Josh Berkus wrote:
> The web team has to figure out whether putting the docs on the web site is
> worthwhile. We already have the developer docs that are rebuild on every
> check-in.
As long as the HTML file
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
> > I think we need some kind of docs up, otherwise we'll get little
> > actual testing. As previously discussed, building the docs yourself
> > from pure source involves several complicated dependancies which
> > aren't
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:08:51 Josh Berkus wrote:
> There's another question for alpha releases: are we going to build docs?
Yes, absolutely. I'm working on making the documentation build part of the
tarball build procedure.
> Either for www.postgresql.org, or for PGDATA/docs?
The web tea
Are you volunteering?
Maybe; is there a template where I can access it?
Robert pointed out I ought to get involved anyway for 8.5 so that we can
stop having separate "release notes" and "public" versions of the new
features.
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Josh Berkus wrote:
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
I still think we should be doing release notes for the Alphas. It
will limit the pain of doing release notes for the final release;
they'll be done already except form
Josh Berkus writes:
>> Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
>> going to have release notes?
> I still think we should be doing release notes for the Alphas.
Are you volunteering?
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Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
I still think we should be doing release notes for the Alphas. It will
limit the pain of doing release notes for the final release; they'll be
done already except formatting.
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Josh Berkus wrote:
> I think we need some kind of docs up, otherwise we'll get little
> actual testing. As previously discussed, building the docs yourself
> from pure source involves several complicated dependancies which
> aren't available on all platforms.
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files
Peter,
There's another question for alpha releases: are we going to build docs?
Either for www.postgresql.org, or for PGDATA/docs?
I think we need some kind of docs up, otherwise we'll get little actual
testing. As previously discussed, building the docs yourself from pure
source involves
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