> > I wasn't really comparing to MySQL here. I meant, in relationship
> > to MS Access. Start it up and it just works.
>
> Yeah, a point-and-drool installation wizard for postgres under windows
> would be great. I think, from looking at PGAdminII, that we've already
> got great admin tools; it see
> > Yeah, a point-and-drool installation wizard for postgres under windows
> > would be great. I think, from looking at PGAdminII, that we've already
> > got great admin tools; it seems just as good as SQL Server Enterprise
> > Manager to me.
>
> Once we have a proper Win32 native version, the guy
Curt,
You do point out some good areas in which PostgreSQL needs to improve
if we're going to go after the MS SQL market.The rest of this
e-mail, though, is a refutation of your comparison.
As a professional MS SQL Server 7.0 manager, I have to disagree.
However, I have not used MS SQL 200
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Berkus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:18 AM
> To: Curt Sampson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Democracy and organisation : let's make a
>
>
> Curt,
>
> You do point out
Dann,
> Totally false:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sql/evaluation/compare/benchmarks.asp
The microsoft benchmarks aren't worth the screen space they take up. I don't
consider these "evidence". I'm basing this on real experience of working
with real production databases, not some idealized b
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Josh Berkus wrote:
> As a professional MS SQL Server 7.0 manager
Well, I wouldn't call myself a professional at managing SQL Server, but
I did do about two years of work on an application (database design,
programming and day-to-day running of the production system) that
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Dann Corbit wrote:
> I have worked as an MS SQL Server DBA (also database designer and
> programmer along with just about anything else that could be done with
> it) and am aware of the difficulties associated with SQL Server. It's a
> very good product.
Yeah, I agree. Mayb
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Depends on your level of write activity, and the size of the records.
> Clustered indexes work nicely for some tables. Not for others.
Well, I'm sure everyone would agree with that. The point is that
SQL Server gives you the option, posgres doesn't.
cj
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> As for current PostgreSQL organization, can someone explain me which W32
> port will make its way to PostgreSQL main source code?
Whichever one actually submits patches for review first that is deemed
acceptable for inclusion ... as its always been
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> Le Jeudi 20 Juin 2002 15:22, Tom Lane a écrit :
> > BTW, we do already have a recognized leadership group: the core
> > committee. The committee members mostly prefer to lead by example
> > and by consensus, rather than trying to impose their will
On 20 Jun 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote:
> Nobody is "in charge", but everybody is welcome to do it, even without
> being "elected" or "nominated ";)
>
> Still, having a "success stories" or "advocacy" section on
> www.postgresq.org seems like a good idea.
Being worked on ... we are actually working
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Frankly, my feeling is, as a "geek-to-geek" product, PostgreSQL is already
> > adequately marketed through our huge network of DBA users and code
> > contributors.
>
> Well, mumble ... it seems to me that we are de
On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 07:21, Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Frankly, my feeling is, as a "geek-to-geek" product, PostgreSQL is already
> > adequately marketed through our huge network of DBA users and code
> > contributors.
>
> Well, mumble ... it seems to me that
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 04:25:24PM +0200, Tycho Fruru wrote:
> Everyone should use and support the tools that fit the bill.
I've mentioned before, however, that "the tools that fit the bill" is
partly a function of network effects. The *BSD guys have the same
problem when facing the Linux jugge
I don't normally post to this list, but have a crazy suggestion that is a
little farfetched.
Suggestion:
Fix the portability problems so that there is a Windows native version of
PostgreSQL. Then offer the Open Office organization PostgreSQL as the
project's database. This would increase the
I'd have to say that personally, given a choice between expending effort
to fix current know bugs and add known needed features, and expending
effort to port to Windows, I'd pick the former, not the latter.
I could personally care less if postgresql ever runs as a native window
application, si
IMO One of the big reasons that MySQL is viewed as being better is it's
percieved simplicity. It has a large following because of this, and many
of them are not experienced database users, in fact just the opposite.
This large user base is perhaps the best marketing that an open source
project ca
> What other development options do we have for soemthing that is GUI and
> portable to all platforms that postgresql runs on? Java? wxWindows? Qt?
> Gtk? I would think that Gtk is probably the most portable, and it has
> bindings to many languages, but we would probalby want to use C.
TOra u
Two points to this discussion.
I hate to admit this, but to some people, a Windows version is important.
Yesterday I learned that one product developed here will have a MySQL
implementation because marketing wants a free implementation.
The biggest advantage seems to be that it's working on Wi
I have started a java admin tool on sourceforge just 2 weeks ago
actually, www.sf.net/jpgadmin
Dave
On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 02:51, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > What other development options do we have for soemthing that is GUI and
> > portable to all platforms that postgresql runs on? Java
what is gborg ? :)
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:21 AM
> To: Dave Cramer
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Democracy and organisation : let&
Marc,
I tried to create it on gborg originally, but could not complete the
form ??
But to answer your question I would prefer to have it at gborg, so I
will try again and let you know the results.
Dave
On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 10:21, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> could we get this added to gborg an
Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> Le Mardi 18 Juin 2002 18:42, Serge Adda a ?crit :
> > I am new to PostgreSQL, but I am interested in the Win32 port.
> > I have studied the architecture of other databases like Oracle.
>
> Hello,
>
> It seems clear that several teams are working without central point m
...
> MySQL has such a team, and so does Oracle, and it helps. Linux was in a
> similar boat, with multiple companies behind Linux, and every one
> promoting its own company rather than Linux itself. We need large
> PostgreSQL companies that promote themselves, and PostgreSQL along with
> it. L
Jan Wieck wrote:
> Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> > [...]
> > As for current PostgreSQL organization, can someone explain me which W32 port
> > will make its way to PostgreSQL main source code? Can someone publish a
> > schedule for replication availability? Who is in charge of explaining newbees
> >
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT)
"Bruce Momjian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> > - Replication: development is slow although a lot of people would be
> > interested in helping. But there is no central organization apart from the
> > hackers-list.
Replication de
> OK, I want to know, does anyone see MySQL gaining in market share in
> comparison to PostgreSQL, or is MySQL gaining against other databases?
> Is MySQL gaining sites faster than we are gaining sites?
>
> Every indication I can see is that PostgreSQL is gaining on MySQL.
>
> The Linux/FreeBSD co
Jean-Michel,
> It seems clear that several teams are working without central point
management
> and contact:
> - Marketing: MySQL sucks and has a team of marketing sending junk technical
> emails and writing false benchmarks. Who is in charge of marketing at
> PostgreSQL? Where can I find a
Josh Berkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Frankly, my feeling is, as a "geek-to-geek" product, PostgreSQL is already
> adequately marketed through our huge network of DBA users and code
> contributors.
Well, mumble ... it seems to me that we are definitely suffering from
a "buzz gap" (cf missil
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Jan Wieck wrote:
> > Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > As for current PostgreSQL organization, can someone explain me which W32 port
> > > will make its way to PostgreSQL main source code? Can someone publish a
> > > schedule for replication av
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