Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-08 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > Personally I don't think either the March or May wiki pages are accurate > > enough, so that isn't a good sign. > > To me, what this means is that you're the perfect person to be helping > making the wiki pages more accurate to cover all items that need > attention. The

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Gregory Stark wrote: > I would like to suggest a few attributes we want for each patch: [...] > My first instinct is to convert it to a table. But perhaps we could just stick > these attributes in the current format as sublist items under each major > bullet point. I agree -- having these attri

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-08 Thread Gregory Stark
"Alvaro Herrera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > FWIW I've been asking patch submitters (privately) to add the patches > they submit to the May commitfest pages, and they've mostly done it > right away. If you click the history link on the May page you can see > changes from Pavel Stehule, Teodor,

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Bruce Momjian wrote: > That private email list has grown into something official because I am > more thorough about it than most. If the community wants a more > collaborative tool, they can create one or ask for additions to my web > pages. If I need to take my pages offline to help, fine. > >

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On Saturday, April 05, 2008 03:37:08 +0100 Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It probably would be neat if the email footer thingy added a url to each email > it distributed via the lists pointing to the permanent message-id-based url i

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:37:17 -0400 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think ultimately we are going to have to remove the patches email > > list and require patch submitters to add their patches to a patch > > tracker. > > That's outright silly.

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > The patch queue is by definition transient --- nobody particularly cares > about what its past state was, as shown by the fact that you've gotten > along for years with an implementation that's incapable of recalling > past state. (Now I do like the idea that a wiki-based patch q

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think ultimately we are going to have to remove the patches email list > and require patch submitters to add their patches to a patch tracker. That's outright silly. The email list and archives are a critical part of what we do, because they provide

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Gregory Stark
"Tom Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The hard part is reading the email and figuring out >> what status the patch is in. > > Certainly. What we've got to do is make sure that after someone has > made that decision, it doesn't cost them a couple o

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "Bruce Momjian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Basically a Wiki takes 10x more time for me to modify something, so > >> unless I get another 9 people to do the same amount of work I do on > >> tracking, we are going to fall behind.

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Tom Lane
Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Bruce Momjian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Basically a Wiki takes 10x more time for me to modify something, so >> unless I get another 9 people to do the same amount of work I do on >> tracking, we are going to fall behind. I am not willing to increa

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Gregory Stark
"Bruce Momjian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Basically a Wiki takes 10x more time for me to modify something, so > unless I get another 9 people to do the same amount of work I do on > tracking, we are going to fall behind. I am not willing to increase the > amount of time I already spend doing

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > BTW, Greg Stark already dumped the patch queue into a wiki page some > time ago: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest:Bruce Do you think > that's more useful than the other commitfest layout? I don't. No. The bottom line is that I used to do this tracking in my own

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Gregory Stark wrote: > "Greg Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > He wants to know how to automate turning an entire mbox file full of them > > into > > wiki markup, now how to do one at a time. Other people have been running > > such > > tools for Bruce but he doesn't have one he can becom

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki

2008-04-04 Thread Gregory Stark
"Greg Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Dave Page wrote: > >> We must be talking at cross purposes because I really cannot believe >> you're asking me how to add a link to a wiki page :-o > > He wants to know how to automate turning an entire mbox file full of them into > wi

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-04 Thread Greg Smith
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Dave Page wrote: We must be talking at cross purposes because I really cannot believe you're asking me how to add a link to a wiki page :-o He wants to know how to automate turning an entire mbox file full of them into wiki markup, now how to do one at a time. Other peopl

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-04 Thread Dave Page
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That seems like a *really* odd thing for one of the founders of the > > world's most advanced OSS DBMS project to say. It's all relational > > (which we do do pretty well) - we can add links to the wiki to threads > > in

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Page wrote: > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is not clear to me how a wiki can be easily created for 2k emails and > > then maintained in a reasonable way, or how emails can be added to it > > easily. > > That seems like a *really* odd thin

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-03 Thread Tom Lane
Aidan Van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The one concern I have with the way the last commitfest went (and I say > this as strictly an observer), there was no "discussion" on anything. Umm ... in the first place, the fest isn't over yet. In the second place, the reason you haven't seen much di

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-03 Thread Aidan Van Dyk
The one concern I have with the way the last commitfest went (and I say this as strictly an observer), there was no "discussion" on anything. Now, I know that "discussion" happened, but it happened somewhere, in some web-forum, in a community that seems to generally promote mailing lists as the pr

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-03 Thread Dave Page
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is not clear to me how a wiki can be easily created for 2k emails and > then maintained in a reasonable way, or how emails can be added to it > easily. That seems like a *really* odd thing for one of the founders of

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > For the past couple of weeks I've been dealing with both Bruce's queue > and the one at > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest:March > and frankly I find the latter a *whole* lot more satisfactory, despite > the fact that it's got exactly zero custom tooling or infrastructur

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-02 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: For the past couple of weeks I've been dealing with both Bruce's queue and the one at http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest:March and frankly I find the latter a *whole* lot more satisfactory, despite the fact that it's got exactly zero custom tooling or infrastructure beh

Re: [HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-02 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Those hacking on tools to convert Bruce's currently preferred working form > (that revolves around mbox files) into something else that's web oriented > are stuck with considering how all the above information is going to be > handled before everybody wil

[HACKERS] Patch queue -> wiki (was varadic patch)

2008-04-02 Thread Greg Smith
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Bruce Momjian wrote: The new permanent ones are permanent against mailbox movement, and in fact the comments and thread merging also travels with the email. The "someone replied to your comment" links in e-messages I've been getting the last few days have all been working,