Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-21 Thread Peter Galbavy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do not want to open up the BSD vs GPL debate, but keeping PG as a BSD license does take an amount of accounting. I was using GPL as an example, as it was mentioned earlier in the thread. My comments hold for *any* license, including (at least in the UK; unfair

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-20 Thread pgsql
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine this scenario: OpenFoobar is released as GPL. Portions of his code are found in PostgreSQL. The new owner of OpenFoobar is an IP lawyer. They claim ownership of code derived from his code. There is now a valid, or at least legally arguable, argument that

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me worried. That's the way we *used* to do things, but the sleazy IP lawyers are looking for anything with which they can create the impression of impropriety. The open source and free projects

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread pgsql
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me worried. That's the way we *used* to do things, but the sleazy IP lawyers are looking for anything with which they can create the impression of impropriety. The open source and free projects

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Andrew Dunstan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me worried. That's the way we *used* to do things, but the sleazy IP lawyers are looking for anything with which they can create the impression of impropriety. The

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Peter Galbavy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm probably just being alarmist, but think about some IP lawyer buying up the entity that owns the GPL code, and suing end user's of PostgreSQL. You cannot retrospectively change the terms of a license unless the licensee agrees to it. If something is released GPL, then

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Peter Galbavy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm probably just being alarmist, but think about some IP lawyer buying up the entity that owns the GPL code, and suing end user's of PostgreSQL. You cannot retrospectively change the terms of a license unless the licensee agrees to it. If something

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread pgsql
Peter Galbavy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm probably just being alarmist, but think about some IP lawyer buying up the entity that owns the GPL code, and suing end user's of PostgreSQL. You cannot retrospectively change the terms of a license unless the licensee agrees to it. If

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread pgsql
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm probably just being alarmist, but think about some IP lawyer buying up the entity that owns the GPL code, and suing end user's of PostgreSQL. You cannot retrospectively change the terms of a license unless the licensee agrees to it. If something is released GPL,

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Andrew Dunstan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine this scenario: OpenFoobar is released as GPL. Portions of his code are found in PostgreSQL. The new owner of OpenFoobar is an IP lawyer. They claim ownership of code derived from his code. There is now a valid, or at least legally arguable, argument that

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrew Dunstan wrote: This is a common misconception. It ain't so. According to Eblen Moglen: The claim that a GPL violation could lead to the forcing open of proprietary code that has wrongfully included GPL'd components is simply wrong. There is no provision in the Copyright Act to

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
You may not distribute this tool without the express written permission of Mark Russinovich. Then by no means should *any* of that code be included into PostgreSQL. In fact, comments should not even make reference to it. May I point out that there is a heap of debate about whether or not we can

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Jan Wieck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Galbavy wrote: You may not distribute this tool without the express written permission of Mark Russinovich. Then by no means should *any* of that code be included into PostgreSQL. In fact, comments should not even make reference to it. Does anybody have that written

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread Gavin Sherry
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: You may not distribute this tool without the express written permission of Mark Russinovich. Then by no means should *any* of that code be included into PostgreSQL. In fact, comments should not even make reference to it. May I point

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-19 Thread pgsql
You may not distribute this tool without the express written permission of Mark Russinovich. Then by no means should *any* of that code be included into PostgreSQL. In fact, comments should not even make reference to it. May I point out that there is a heap of debate about whether or not we

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD
If you run NTFS, it's still possible to use arbitrary links. In the Windows world, they are called junctions. Microsoft does not provide a junction tool for some reason (perhaps because it's limited to NTFS). A good tool, free and with source, can be found here

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread pgsql
Magnus Hagander wrote: If you run NTFS, it's still possible to use arbitrary links. In the Windows world, they are called junctions. Microsoft does not provide a junction tool for some reason (perhaps because it's limited to NTFS). A good tool, free and with source, can be found here

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread Magnus Hagander
We've looked at it before. Apart from anything else I don't think its license is compatible with PostgreSQL's. Well, people can still use it. We just can't distribute it... We can always link to it. But unless there is a GUI tool (actually, unless it shows up in the *default* GUI

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread pgsql
We've looked at it before. Apart from anything else I don't think its license is compatible with PostgreSQL's. Well, people can still use it. We just can't distribute it... We can always link to it. But unless there is a GUI tool (actually, unless it shows up in the *default* GUI

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've looked at it before. Apart from anything else I don't think its license is compatible with PostgreSQL's. Well, people can still use it. We just can't distribute it... We can always link to it. But unless there is a GUI tool (actually, unless it

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread pgsql
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've looked at it before. Apart from anything else I don't think its license is compatible with PostgreSQL's. Well, people can still use it. We just can't distribute it... We can always link to it. But unless there is a GUI tool (actually, unless it

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's just make sure we keep records of the generic sources of where we find things. I get *really* scared when I see sentences like I assume we can just look at the source and write our own version bypassing any license. That is categorically a false asumption

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-18 Thread pgsql
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me worried. That's the way we *used* to do things, but the sleazy IP lawyers are looking for anything with which they can create the impression of impropriety. The open source and free projects are ground zero for this crap. We *really* need to be

[HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Gavin Sherry
Hi all, Attached is a patch against HEAD implementing tablespaces. I've done some testing on Linux and BSD. I've also compiled without HAVE_SYMLINK defined -- which determines whether or not tablespaces are available. The reason for this is that symlinks are used extensively to simplify access

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Bruce Momjian
Gavin Sherry wrote: Alternative database location: Should this code be removed now? Yes, I believe we agreed on this. One of the committers will take care of that. The only downside to removal is that folks without symlinks (I believe Win32 only) will loose that functionality with nothing

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Manfred Spraul
Bruce Momjian wrote: The only downside to removal is that folks without symlinks (I believe Win32 only) will loose that functionality with nothing to replace it. However, I think the clarity of removing it is worth it. Also, I think someone had a special way to do symlinks on Win32 and we should

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Manfred Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Momjian wrote: The only downside to removal is that folks without symlinks (I believe Win32 only) will loose that functionality with nothing to replace it. However, I think the clarity of removing it is worth it.

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Thomas Hallgren wrote: Manfred Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Momjian wrote: The only downside to removal is that folks without symlinks (I believe Win32 only) will loose that functionality with nothing to replace it. However, I think the clarity of

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Magnus Hagander
The only downside to removal is that folks without symlinks (I believe Win32 only) will loose that functionality with nothing to replace it. However, I think the clarity of removing it is worth it. Also, I think someone had a special way to do symlinks on Win32 and we should look into that.

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Bruce Momjian
Magnus Hagander wrote: If you run NTFS, it's still possible to use arbitrary links. In the Windows world, they are called junctions. Microsoft does not provide a junction tool for some reason (perhaps because it's limited to NTFS). A good tool, free and with source, can be found here

Re: [HACKERS] Table Spaces

2004-05-17 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Alternative database location: Should this code be removed now? I think that this: CREATE DATABASE blah LOCATION 'xyz'; Should now be interpreted to mean: CREATE TABLESPACE blah_tbsp LOCATION 'xyz'; CREATE DATABSE blah TABLESPACE blah_tbsp; Or something like that... Chris

Re: [HACKERS] Table spaces again [was Re: Threaded Sorting]

2002-10-07 Thread Michael Paesold
Shridhar Daithankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] On 7 Oct 2002 at 15:52, Hans-Jürgen Schönig wrote: [snip] With tablespaces you can assign 30mb to use a, 120mb to user b etc. ... Table spaces are a nice abstraction layer to the file system. Hmm.. And how does that fit in database