Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-15 Thread Lukas Smith
Josh Berkus wrote: It's very nice to throw these things out there and put them on the TODO list ... and if I had $100,000 in development money to throw at something, I might spend it that way ... but to propose them as *immediate* solutions to problems for 8.2 is fantasy. Point taken. Obviou

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro (was: Re: Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze)

2006-07-15 Thread Josh Berkus
Lukas, all: > So what I am suggesting is that PostgreSQL.org should push people > towards the monolithic distro. The docs should contain everything that > is in the monolithic distro. At conference we should say the name of the > monolithic distro etc. The issue I think you're ignoring is that ma

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Since I appreantly like monologs .. MySQL also has other features that are not available via pgfoundery like being able to determine the default charset on the database, table and column level, as well as COLLATE support to determine the sort order at runtime. SHOW ALL; ? Anyways what I

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-14 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Andrew Dunstan wrote: The topic here is NOT what features are missing from postgres. Of course it is ;-) Regards, Thomas Hallgren ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-14 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Lukas Smith wrote: Since I appreantly like monologs .. MySQL also has other features that are not available via pgfoundery like being able to determine the default charset on the database, table and column level, as well as COLLATE support to determine the sort order at runtime. Anyways wha

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-14 Thread Lukas Smith
Lukas Smith wrote: Lukas Smith wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: whereas PostgreSQL is continuously complaing that MySQL is inferior yet way more popular. Maybe MySQL's popularity is not even PostgreSQL's goal, but I am sure a bit more would be welcome. Does MySQL have

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Lukas Smith
Lukas Smith wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: whereas PostgreSQL is continuously complaing that MySQL is inferior yet way more popular. Maybe MySQL's popularity is not even PostgreSQL's goal, but I am sure a bit more would be welcome. Does MySQL have a monolithic distrib

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Lukas Smith
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: whereas PostgreSQL is continuously complaing that MySQL is inferior yet way more popular. Maybe MySQL's popularity is not even PostgreSQL's goal, but I am sure a bit more would be welcome. Does MySQL have a monolithic distribution? Well obviou

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: whereas PostgreSQL is continuously complaing that MySQL is inferior yet way more popular. Maybe MySQL's popularity is not even PostgreSQL's goal, but I am sure a bit more would be welcome. Does MySQL have a monolithic distr

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > whereas PostgreSQL is continuously complaing that > MySQL is inferior yet way more popular. Maybe MySQL's popularity is not > even PostgreSQL's goal, but I am sure a bit more would be welcome. Does MySQL have a monolithic distribution? ---(end

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Yeah, but if PostgreSQL decides to endorse one monolithic distro in the way I described it could give that project hopefully the necessary lift. And the ultimate goal is obviously that some of those newbies coming by way of the monolithic distro turn into people that bring ressources to the P

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Yeah, but if PostgreSQL decides to endorse one monolithic distro in the way I described it could give that project hopefully the necessary lift. And the ultimate goal is obviously that some of those newbies coming by way of the monolithic distro turn into people that br

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: But, that isn't our role ... that should be the role of whomever takes on the role of 'maintainer' for such a monolithic distribution ... its no more our role to decide that pl/Java is better or worse then pl/J ... our role

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Marc G. Fournier wrote: But, that isn't our role ... that should be the role of whomever takes on the role of 'maintainer' for such a monolithic distribution ... its no more our role to decide that pl/Java is better or worse then pl/J ... our role is to provide that core for everyone else to

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro

2006-07-13 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Marc G. Fournier wrote: But, that isn't our role ... that should be the role of whomever takes on the role of 'maintainer' for such a monolithic distribution ... its no more our role to decide that pl/Java is better or worse then pl/J ... our role is to provide that core for everyone else to b

Re: [HACKERS] monolithic distro (was: Re: Fwd: Three weeks left

2006-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Lukas Smith wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more "and the kitchen sink" style. I do not know exactly if Bizgres cou

[HACKERS] monolithic distro (was: Re: Fwd: Three weeks left until feature freeze)

2006-07-13 Thread Lukas Smith
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Aside from obviously the big issue of who maintains all the pgfoundry stuff, I also think that the PostgreSQL family would benefit from a distribution that is more "and the kitchen sink" style. I do not know exactly if Bizgres could be considered just that? Or maybe it co