Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Gary Cowell
--- Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > =?iso-8859-1?q?Gary=20Cowell?= > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So it seems the idea that oracle is dropping > duplicate > > rows prior to the sort when using distinct may > indeed > > be the case. > > Okay. We won't have any short-term solution for > ma

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Tom Lane
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gary=20Cowell?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So it seems the idea that oracle is dropping duplicate > rows prior to the sort when using distinct may indeed > be the case. Okay. We won't have any short-term solution for making DISTINCT do that, but if you are on PG 7.4 you could ge

Re: [PERFORM] [BULK] Problems with vacuum!

2004-06-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello, I would have to double check BUT I believe this is fixed in later 2.4.x kernels as well. If you don't want to go through the hassle of 2.6 (although it really is a nice kernel) then upgrade to 2.4.26. Sincerely, Joshau D. Drake Scott Marlowe wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 09:11, Tom Lane wr

Re: [PERFORM] [BULK] Problems with vacuum!

2004-06-18 Thread Scott Marlowe
I believe it was more like the kernel was tuned to make it less common, but certain things can still trigger it. I know the problem was still there in the 2.4.24 on the last server I was playing with, but it was a lot less of a problem than it had been under 2.4.9 on an earlier machine with the sa

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Stephen Frost
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > systems does in 40 seconds. My only other concern is the Oracle system > having to do the write I/O while the postgres one doesn't... I don't > see an obvious way to get around that though, and I'm not sure if it'd > really make *that* big of a differe

Re: [PERFORM] [BULK] Problems with vacuum!

2004-06-18 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 09:11, Tom Lane wrote: > "Domenico Sgarbossa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > so when the users go home, i've got something like 15/2kb free ram, the > > rest is cached and 0kb of swap... > > It seems that when pg_dump starts the cached memory isn't released so the > > sys

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Stephen Frost
* Tom Lane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Tom Lane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> [... thinks for awhile ...] It seems possible that they may use sort > >> code that knows it is performing a DISTINCT operation and discards > >> duplicates on sight. G

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Tom Lane
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Tom Lane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> [... thinks for awhile ...] It seems possible that they may use sort >> code that knows it is performing a DISTINCT operation and discards >> duplicates on sight. Given that there are only 534 distinct values, >>

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Stephen Frost
* Tom Lane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [... thinks for awhile ...] It seems possible that they may use sort > code that knows it is performing a DISTINCT operation and discards > duplicates on sight. Given that there are only 534 distinct values, > the sort would easily stay in memory if that we

Re: [PERFORM] *very* inefficient choice made by the planner (regarding

2004-06-18 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, [iso-8859-1] SZUCS Gábor wrote: > Dear Gurus, > > - Original Message - > From: "Stephan Szabo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:14 PM > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Stephan Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Jean-Luc Lachance wrote

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Gary Cowell
> Try increasing sort_mem temporarily, and see if that > makes a difference: >SET sort_mem = 64000; >EXPLAIN ANALYSE ... I did this (actualy 65536) and got the following: pvcsdb=# explain analyze select distinct version from vers where version is not null;

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance

2004-06-18 Thread pginfo
Hi, Tom Lane wrote: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gary=20Cowell?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: -> Sort (cost=117865.77..119220.13 rows=541741 width=132) (actual time=63623.417..66127.641 rows=541741 loops=1) This is clearly where the time is going. sort_mem = 16384

Re: [PERFORM] [BULK] Problems with vacuum!

2004-06-18 Thread Tom Lane
"Domenico Sgarbossa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > so when the users go home, i've got something like 15/2kb free ram, the > rest is cached and 0kb of swap... > It seems that when pg_dump starts the cached memory isn't released so the > system begin to swap, A sane kernel should drop disk buff

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Tom Lane
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gary=20Cowell?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >-> Sort (cost=117865.77..119220.13 rows=541741 > width=132) (actual time=63623.417..66127.641 > rows=541741 loops=1) This is clearly where the time is going. > sort_mem = 16384 Probably not enough for this problem. The estim

Re: [PERFORM] *very* inefficient choice made by the planner (regarding

2004-06-18 Thread Tom Lane
=?iso-8859-1?Q?SZUCS_G=E1bor?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> It's NULLs inside the subselect that are the issue. > > select 1 in (select a from foo) > select exists ( select 1 from foo where a=1) > Just a dumb try :) > SELECT (exists(select 1 from foo where a isnull) AND NULL) >OR exi

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance

2004-06-18 Thread Richard Huxton
Gary Cowell wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You can roughly estimate time spent for just scaning the table using something like this: select sum(version) from ... where version is not null and just select sum(version) from ... The results would be interesting to compare.

Re: [PERFORM] memory allocation

2004-06-18 Thread Richard Huxton
Michael Ryan S. Puncia wrote: Hi everyone . How much memory should I give to the kernel and postgresql I have 1G of memory and 120G of HD Devrim's pointed you to a guide to the configuration file. There's also an introduction to performance tuning on the same site. An important thing to rememb

Re: [PERFORM] [BULK] Problems with vacuum!

2004-06-18 Thread Domenico Sgarbossa
The problems still remains... I've tried to change shmax to 128 mb (i've got 2 GB of ram), then the others parameter are set as follow: shared_buffers = 8096# 2*max_connections, min 16 max_fsm_relations = 500# min 10, fsm is free space map max_fsm_pages = 15000 # min 1000, fsm is

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance

2004-06-18 Thread pginfo
Hi , I have similare problem and found that the problem is by pg sort. It is extremly slow by me. Also in my case I tryed to migrate one db from oracle to pg . To solve this problem I dinamicaly set sort_mem to some big value. In this case the sort is working into RAM and is relative fast. Yo

Re: [PERFORM] memory allocation

2004-06-18 Thread Devrim GUNDUZ
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Michael Ryan S. Puncia wrote: > How much memory should I give to the kernel and postgresql > > I have 1G of memory and 120G of HD > > Shared Buffers = ? > > Vacuum Mem = ? Maybe you should read http://www.varlena.com/va

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Gary Cowell
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You can roughly estimate time spent for just scaning > the table using > something like this: > > select sum(version) from ... where version is not > null > > and just > > select sum(version) from ... > > The results would be interesting to com

[PERFORM] memory allocation

2004-06-18 Thread Michael Ryan S. Puncia
Hi everyone .   How much memory should I give to the kernel and postgresql   I have 1G of memory and 120G of HD   Shared Buffers = ? Vacuum Mem = ? SHMAX = ?   Sorry I have so many question .I am a newbie L   I have 30G of data At least 30 simultaneus users But I will use it

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance

2004-06-18 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
Gary Cowell wrote: The explain output on postgres shows the same execution with a scan on vers and a sort but the query time is 78.6 seconds. The explain output from PostgreSQL is: QUERY PLAN

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Jeff
On Jun 18, 2004, at 7:31 AM, Gary Cowell wrote: The explain output on postgres shows the same execution with a scan on vers and a sort but the query time is 78.6 seconds. Does it run just as slow if you run it again? It could be a case of the caches being empty Oracle but I think I've configured co

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Paul Thomas
On 18/06/2004 12:31 Gary Cowell wrote: [snip] I'm not as familiar with postgresql as I am with Oracle but I think I've configured comparible buffering and sort area sizes, certainly there isn't much physical IO going on in either case. What can I do to speed up this query? Other queries are slightl

Re: [PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance

2004-06-18 Thread Richard Huxton
Gary Cowell wrote: I'm not as familiar with postgresql as I am with Oracle but I think I've configured comparible buffering and sort area sizes, certainly there isn't much physical IO going on in either case. People are going to want to know: 1. version of PG 2. explain analyse output, rather than

[PERFORM] Major differences between oracle and postgres performance - what can I do ?

2004-06-18 Thread Gary Cowell
I'm trying to migrate an application from an Oracle backend to PostgreSQL and have a performance question. The hardware for the database is the same, a SunFire v120, 2x73GB U2W SCSI disks, 1GB RAM, 650MHz US-IIe CPU. Running Solaris 8. The table in question has 541741 rows. Under Oracle, the que

Re: [PERFORM] *very* inefficient choice made by the planner (regarding

2004-06-18 Thread SZUCS Gábor
Dear Gurus, - Original Message - From: "Stephan Szabo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:14 PM > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Stephan Szabo wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Jean-Luc Lachance wrote: > > > > > I agree, but it should be a simple rewrite. No? > > > > It's N

Re: [PERFORM] Slow vacuum performance

2004-06-18 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 13:09 -0700, Patrick Hatcher wrote: > > > > Pg: 7.4.2 > RedHat 7.3 > Ram: 8gig > > I have 6 million row table that I vacuum full analyze each night. The time > seems to be streching out further and further as I add more rows. I read > the archives and Josh's annotated p