Re: [PERFORM] Postgres and Ingres R3 / SAN

2006-03-11 Thread Josh Berkus
Folks, > > Ingres is based off of the same original codebase that PostgreSQL was > > based upon (a long time ago) This is wrong. According to Andrew Yu and others who date back to the original POSTGRES, development of Postgres involved several of the same team members as INGRES (most notabl

Re: [PERFORM] x206-x225

2006-03-11 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:17:09 +0100 From: Joost Kraaijeveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Richard Huxton , pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] x206-x225 On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 23:57 -0800, David Lang

Re: [PERFORM] x206-x225

2006-03-11 Thread Joost Kraaijeveld
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 11:59 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Joost Kraaijeveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I assume that for PostgreSQL "written to disk" is after fsync returned > > successfully. In practice that could very well mean that the data is > > still in a cache somewhere (controller or harddi

Re: [PERFORM] x206-x225

2006-03-11 Thread Tom Lane
Joost Kraaijeveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I assume that for PostgreSQL "written to disk" is after fsync returned > successfully. In practice that could very well mean that the data is > still in a cache somewhere (controller or harddisk, not in the OS > anymore, see also man page of fsync) W

Re: [PERFORM] x206-x225

2006-03-11 Thread Joost Kraaijeveld
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 12:33 +0100, PFC wrote: > >> each transaction requires a sync to the disk, a sync requires a real > >> write (which you then wait for), so you can only do one transaction per > >> rotation. > > Not according to a conversation I had with Western Digital about the > > > It dep

Re: [PERFORM] x206-x225

2006-03-11 Thread PFC
each transaction requires a sync to the disk, a sync requires a real write (which you then wait for), so you can only do one transaction per rotation. Not according to a conversation I had with Western Digital about the It depends if you consider that "written to the disk" means "data is s

Re: [PERFORM] x206-x225

2006-03-11 Thread Joost Kraaijeveld
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 23:57 -0800, David Lang wrote: > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 13:40 +, Richard Huxton wrote: > >> Your ATA disk is lying about disk caching being turned off. Assuming > >> each insert is in a separate transaction, then it's not