Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Scott Carey
On Nov 5, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> The serious problems with this appear to be (a) that Linux/Ext4 PG >> performance still hasn't fully recovered, and, (b) that RHEL6 is set to >> ship with kernel 2.6.32, which means that we'll have a whole generation >> of RHEL which is off-lim

Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Josh Berkus
> The main change here was discussed back in January: > http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/4b512d0d.4030...@2ndquadrant.com > > What I've been doing about this is the writing leading up to > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Reliable_Writes so that when RHEL6 does > ship, we have a place to

Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Greg Smith
Josh Berkus wrote: Domas (of Facebook/Wikipedia, MySQL geek) pointed me to this report: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_then_now&num=6 The main change here was discussed back in January:

Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Why would it be off limits?  Is it likely to lose data due to power failure >> etc? > > If fsyncs are taking 5X as long, people can't use PostgreSQL on that > platform. I was under the impression that from 2.6.28 through 2.6.31 or so that t

Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Andres Freund
On Friday 05 November 2010 21:15:20 Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > Domas (of Facebook/Wikipedia, MySQL geek) pointed me to this report: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&n I guess thats the O_DSYNC thingy. See the "Defaulting wal_sync_method to fdatasy

Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Josh Berkus
> Why would it be off limits? Is it likely to lose data due to power failure > etc? If fsyncs are taking 5X as long, people can't use PostgreSQL on that platform. > Are you referring to improvements due to write barrier support getting > fixed up fr ext4 to run faster but still be safe? I wou

Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > Domas (of Facebook/Wikipedia, MySQL geek) pointed me to this report: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=1 > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_then_now&num=6 > > The se

Re: [PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Josh Berkus
> The serious problems with this appear to be (a) that Linux/Ext4 PG > performance still hasn't fully recovered, and, (b) that RHEL6 is set to > ship with kernel 2.6.32, which means that we'll have a whole generation > of RHEL which is off-limits to PostgreSQL. Oh. Found some other information o

[PERFORM] Major Linux performance regression; shouldn't we be worried about RHEL6?

2010-11-05 Thread Josh Berkus
All, Domas (of Facebook/Wikipedia, MySQL geek) pointed me to this report: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_then_now&num=6 The serious problems with this appear to be (a) that Linux/Ext4 PG perf