Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

+1 Doru On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:24 AM, stepharo wrote: > Hi guys > > I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. > We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is > important > for our concentration. > I really like the other discussions

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

Lets see the big picture here, if you take a look at TIOBE INDEX or LANGPOP or the internet at large you get a clear picture about java based languages . Popularity wise they have been a ultimate failure. Right now the only language that is barely noticable is Scala and even Scala is nowhere near a

[Pharo-dev] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

Hi guys I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is important for our concentration. I really like the other discussions but we should have them in Pharo-users. I think that it makes sense. S

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

Le 15/1/15 00:30, Sebastian Sastre a écrit : On the other hand we are fragmented and compartamentalized big time. It’s 2015 and I never had hear about this before (from 2013): http://bulenkov.com/2013/04/23/smalltalk-support-in-intellij-idea/ Something like that would give you the power o

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

Le 15/01/2015 07:38, Alain Rastoul a écrit : And yo uget a standard vm, call it NOS, NONOS or whatever :) BTW thinking to that it could be still much lighter and more specialized than most linux distros (no dameons, less libraries etc). Expressing smalltalk libraries dependencies in the sat s

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

Le 15/01/2015 03:08, Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs a écrit : I was not planning specializing the VM for the image. But rather link in a VM with everything needed to run a range of images. The dependencies are handled by creating an OCAML module that expresses these and the VM code then lives i

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

> -Original Message- > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > Alain Rastoul > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:10 PM > To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS > > Le 14/01/2015 04:39, Joerg Beekmann, D

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

> Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can > also get you bitten. :) Sure, and shaking the hive too rarely will get you starved. -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also get you bitten. :) El ene 14, 2015 8:33 PM, "Sebastian Sastre" escribió: > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Craig Latta wrote: > > Hi Sven-- > > Nothing happened to this project in more than a year... It is mostly > > > vapou

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Craig Latta wrote: > > Hi Sven-- > >> Nothing happened to this project in more than a year... It is mostly > > vapourware and has no users. People following the links on the >> article will soon find out. > > Well, perhaps this reminder will stimulate some in

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

On the other hand we are fragmented and compartamentalized big time. It’s 2015 and I never had hear about this before (from 2013): http://bulenkov.com/2013/04/23/smalltalk-support-in-intellij-idea/ Something like that would giv

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

Hi Sven-- > Nothing happened to this project in more than a year... It is mostly > vapourware and has no users. People following the links on the > article will soon find out. Well, perhaps this reminder will stimulate some interest. -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

Picking up and promoting inactive projects just to put a tick on a feature's checkbox can backfire big time. If there is one thing I've been always proud as a Smtalltalker is that we don't sell hype or vaporware, rather the contrary (which is also a failure). I'm all in to embrace an aggressive P

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

And James got pretty close to the goal of this campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/redline-smalltalk-v1-0 Interestingly, being so close, a little bit of PR at the right time could have done a difference. Something to think abo

Re: [Pharo-dev] Implementing lazy loading for expandable collections (part 2)

Hi Stephan, On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > I'm more worried about this part. > > [ 1 timesRepeat: [ | c | > c := OrderedCollection new. > c add: 1. > 2 to: 1 do: [ :i | > c add: i befor

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

A blank. Nothing happened to this project in more than a year https://github.com/redline-smalltalk/redline-smalltalk/commits/master It is mostly vapourware and has no users. People following the links on the article will soon find out. Just sad. > On 14 Jan 2015, at 23:40, horrido wrote: >

[Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-smalltalk-jvm-worlds.html Note the last paragraph. Our campaign will be noticed! This is exactly what I was after when I

Re: [Pharo-dev] Access to Pharo/TxText

2015-01-14 22:50 GMT+01:00 stepharo : > I do not think Igor will look at them. > Why not? And who else did work on this? > I can try but I'm a newbie there. > so tag me. > > Stef > > Le 14/1/15 12:43, Marcus Denker a écrit : > > > On 14 Jan 2015, at 00:30, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < > von

Re: [Pharo-dev] Object>>logCr ?

asString is a conversion method. printString is not #foo crLog should print #foo and not 'foo' because it may be hyper importnt that you get a symbol and not a string Le 14/1/15 22:32, Alexandre Bergel a écrit : Hi! I like the new way to print things in the Transcript. But I am wondering, Objec

Re: [Pharo-dev] ci.inria.fr/pharo/ slow

thanks. its better now. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2015, at 14:28, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:17, Ben Coman wrote: > > Just an observation that https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/ is really slow for > me. Minutes to bring up the tex

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

Yes we would love that too!!! Hi I've been exploring the possibility of hosting the Squeak/Pharo VM on MirageOS. MirageOS is a Unikernal or "Library OS" where rather than creating an executable to be run on Linux the compiler analyses dependencies right down through the device drivers and c

Re: [Pharo-dev] Access to Pharo/TxText

I do not think Igor will look at them. I can try but I'm a newbie there. so tag me. Stef Le 14/1/15 12:43, Marcus Denker a écrit : On 14 Jan 2015, at 00:30, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras mailto:vonbecm...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, Could someone take a look at this https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/c

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fixing DNU binding in GT and Nautilus

Thanks marcus I just open another one :( because I houtgh that my mail did go through. I will close it. Le 14/1/15 13:02, Marcus Denker a écrit : I have opened an issue for this: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14731/Fixing-DNU-binding-in-GT-and-Nautilus On 13 Jan 2015, at 20:11, stephar

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

Le 14/01/2015 21:12, Eliot Miranda a écrit : On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Ben Coman mailto:b...@openinworld.com>> wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs mailto:jo...@deepcovelabs.com>> wrote: Hi I've been exploring the possibility

[Pharo-dev] Object>>logCr ?

Hi! I like the new way to print things in the Transcript. But I am wondering, Object>>logCr self logCr: self printString why printString is used and not asString? ‘foo’ logCr prints ‘foo’ and not foo Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel

[Pharo-dev] Fixing DNU binding in GT and Nautilus

Hi in nautilus method pane and GT, when I select a global variable such as SystemOrganization and press command B + N I get DNU binding. Apparently this DNU only happen when the name does not match any class substring Transcript or Undeclared will not raise an error because we have classes ha

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 2d8f01: 40445

Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 2d8f014d46a8d49e0b14256ac45f65800b8ca335 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/2d8f014d46a8d49e0b14256ac45f65800b8ca335 Author: Jenkins Build Server Date: 2015-01-14 (Wed, 14 Jan 2015

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

Branch: refs/tags/40445 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs > wrote: >> Hi >> >> I've been exploring the possibility of hosting the Squeak/Pharo VM on >> MirageOS. MirageOS is a Unikernal or "Library OS" where rather than >> creati

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo4] Slots can now be saved with MC

> On 14 Jan 2015, at 15:57, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> On 13 Jan 2015, at 11:57, Marcus Denker > > wrote: >> >>> >>> On 12 Jan 2015, at 16:20, Marcus Denker >> > wrote: Limitations -> no support for class varia

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

Branch: refs/tags/40444 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 730f6c: 40444

Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 730f6cacfdb9be22ce00f2bb019f725893b05584 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/730f6cacfdb9be22ce00f2bb019f725893b05584 Author: Jenkins Build Server Date: 2015-01-14 (Wed, 14 Jan 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Visual Memory profiler

Looks interesting. Does this work in Pharo 3? If so, where can I find the correct configuration of Spy? ITs not in the configuration browser in my image. Thanks Paul abergel wrote > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > We are happy to announce Memory Profiler, a new profiler for Pharo. Th

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo4] Slots can now be saved with MC

> On 13 Jan 2015, at 11:57, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> On 12 Jan 2015, at 16:20, Marcus Denker > > wrote: >>> >>> Limitations >>> -> no support for class variables yet >>> -> class instance variables not yet done, either >> >> Class Instance Slots are

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

Branch: refs/tags/40443 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] c00614: 40443

Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: c00614b240aff6c1941c38370ebb76ca3c1477e4 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/c00614b240aff6c1941c38370ebb76ca3c1477e4 Author: Jenkins Build Server Date: 2015-01-14 (Wed, 14 Jan 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] ci.inria.fr/pharo/ slow

> On 14 Jan 2015, at 14:28, Marcus Denker wrote: > > >> >> >> >>> On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:17, Ben Coman >> > wrote: >>> >>> Just an observation that https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/ >>> is really slow for me. Minutes to bring up >>> the

Re: [Pharo-dev] ci.inria.fr/pharo/ slow

> > > >> On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:17, Ben Coman > > wrote: >> >> Just an observation that https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/ >> is really slow for me. Minutes to bring up >> the text of the page, and still waiting for all the graphics. >> >

Re: [Pharo-dev] R: Finish one thing today

+1 Ing. Pablo Digonzelli Software Solutions IP-Solutiones SRL Metrotec SRL 25 de Mayo 521 San Miguel de Tucumán Email: pdigonze...@softsargentina.com pdigonze...@gmail.com Cel: 5493815982714 - Mensaje original - De: "Lorenzo Schiavina" Para: "Pharo Development List" Enviados: Mi

[Pharo-dev] R: Finish one thing today

+1 Lorenzo -Messaggio originale- Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] Per conto di Sven Van Caekenberghe Inviato: mercoledì 14 gennaio 2015 16:16 A: Pharo Development List Oggetto: Re: [Pharo-dev] Finish one thing today > On 14 Jan 2015, at 15:12, Pablo Estefo wrote

Re: [Pharo-dev] Finish one thing today

> On 14 Jan 2015, at 15:12, Pablo Estefo wrote: > > Wow... powerful message +1 > On 14 January 2015 at 10:32, Marcus Denker wrote: > This is nice: > > http://finishonethingtoday.com > > > Marcus > > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] ci.inria.fr/pharo/ slow

Hi, Sadly since yesterday the internet here in Chile is very slow. Therefore I am not in a situation to assess performance of anything. (everything is so slow that it is no usable since yesterday). > On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:17, Ben Coman wrote: > > Just an observation that https://ci.inria.fr/p

Re: [Pharo-dev] ci.inria.fr/pharo/ slow

also, it looks like pharo-contribution has some jobs days old. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > Just an observation that https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/ is really slow for > me. Minutes to bring up the text of the page, and still waiting for all > the graphics. > > https://ci.i

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

Hoi Joerg-- > The Mirage group envisions thousands of kernels running on a single > Hypervisor with his speed inter-kernel communications. See > http://openmirage.org/blog/update-on-vchan. The facilitates Smalltalk > systems consisting of a swarm of communicating images where each > image is sing

[Pharo-dev] ci.inria.fr/pharo/ slow

Just an observation that https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/ is really slow for me. Minutes to bring up the text of the page, and still waiting for all the graphics. https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/ is fine.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Finish one thing today

Wow... powerful message On 14 January 2015 at 10:32, Marcus Denker wrote: > This is nice: > > http://finishonethingtoday.com > > > Marcus > > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Implementing lazy loading for expandable collections (part 2)

I'm more worried about this part. [ 1 timesRepeat: [ | c | c := OrderedCollection new. c add: 1. 2 to: 1 do: [ :i | c add: i beforeIndex: (c atRandom) ] ] ] timeToRun "5 min. 30 s." Stephan

[Pharo-dev] Finish one thing today

This is nice: http://finishonethingtoday.com Marcus

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

>> >> >> Mirarge might be a good stepping stone, but ultimately I think we want Cog >> running directly on the Xen "hardware" without Mirage. Erlang and Haskell >> are languages that already do this. [1] We need to get on that list at the >> bottom. >> >> Maybe a good starting place is Sq

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

> On 14 Jan 2015, at 08:15, Ben Coman wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs > mailto:jo...@deepcovelabs.com>> wrote: > Hi > > I've been exploring the possibility of hosting the Squeak/Pharo VM on > MirageOS. MirageOS is a Unikernal or "Library OS" wher

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fixing DNU binding in GT and Nautilus

I have opened an issue for this: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14731/Fixing-DNU-binding-in-GT-and-Nautilus > On 13 Jan 2015, at 20:11, stepharo wrote: > > Hi > > in nautilus method pane and GT, when I select

Re: [Pharo-dev] Access to Pharo/TxText

> On 14 Jan 2015, at 00:30, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras > wrote: > > Hi, > Could someone take a look at this > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14632/Access-to-Pharo-TxText > > In general we need to organise: Who -

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hosting the Pharo VM on MirageOS

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs < jo...@deepcovelabs.com> wrote: > Hi > > I've been exploring the possibility of hosting the Squeak/Pharo VM on > MirageOS. MirageOS is a Unikernal or "Library OS" where rather than > creating an executable to be run on Linux the com

[Pharo-dev] Fixing DNU binding in GT and Nautilus

Hi in nautilus method pane and GT, when I select a global variable such as SystemOrganization and press command B + N I get DNU binding. Apparently this DNU only happen when the name does not match any class substring Transcript or Undeclared will not raise an error because we have classes ha

Re: [Pharo-dev] What Logging framework for Pharo

Hi guys As a general point of view, often the discussions in this mailing-list are comparing Pharo with projects where - people really produces open-source software and share it for real (by opposition as talking nicely close the fireplace with friends). - it often sounds like we should