Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

2014-08-22 Thread stepharo
It just hit me now: Pharo is yours is not a statement that only the Pharo board makes. It's a statement that everyone of us should make because it gets the ego out of the equation (you have no idea how hard that is for me :)). I think we are actually doing that. This is probably the primary

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

2014-08-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
It is exciting to be here indeed. At the same time, it is not always that reassuring :-) Phil On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:42 AM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: It just hit me now: Pharo is yours is not a statement that only the Pharo board makes. It's a statement that everyone of us should

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

2014-08-22 Thread Norbert Hartl
I'm glad we could get together and settle a few things. And it didn't take long. That is the advantage to meet in person. And the things we decided are a step forward. So thanks, Norbert Am 20.08.2014 um 18:42 schrieb stepharo steph...@free.fr: Hi what I like with conferences like ESUG

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

2014-08-21 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Thanks for this message. We are all humans here and feelings do play an important role. And, indeed, mail does not help much to alleviate the problem. But, the cool thing about this community is that even if our opinions diverge significantly, in the long run we find ways to bring them

[Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

2014-08-20 Thread stepharo
Hi what I like with conferences like ESUG is that we can meet other people. We got some great discussions with Doru and Norbert about logging. And we will unite the two frameworks into a a variation of Beacon. Thinking about it, I clearly overreacted when Doru announced Beacon and I'm clear

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

2014-08-20 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
stepharo wrote I received Beacon (which at the end was trying to help defining a cool logger) as a sign that I lost my energy on building SystemLogger. Now I think that if I would not have built SystemLogger, we would not have got Beacon and our discussions would have been way poorer. This is

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

2014-08-20 Thread stepharo
:) Some guys like me and (camillo) for example are more in straight line thinking but you are so right. Stef On 20/8/14 18:53, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: stepharo wrote I received Beacon (which at the end was trying to help defining a cool logger) as a sign that I lost my energy on building