Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork

2020-05-17 Thread Jimmie Houchin
On 5/16/20 3:56 AM, Shaping wrote: Hi Jimmie. On 5/15/20 5:26 AM, Shaping wrote: I don’t understand the split.  It looks silly.  Maybe someone can explain the split in terms of technical/architectural advantages, if any exist. [snip] The Pink plane community wanted to begin to cl

Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork

2020-05-17 Thread Shaping
From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Eric Gade Sent: Saturday, 16 May, 2020 10:49 To: Pharo Development List Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:19 AM Ben Coman mailto:b...@openinworld.com> >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo: why the fork

2020-05-17 Thread Shaping
On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 16:57, Shaping mailto:shap...@uurda.org> > wrote: You also had personality differences and disagreements which developed over years. Eventually the Pink plane community forked and created Pharo. The foundational community of Squeak (Blue plane) did not want to make the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork

2020-05-16 Thread Shaping
It's worth mentioning Cuis which has a radical commitment to simplification - at the expense of power I suspect but more understandable for a begginer, I find. Agreed. It was that loss of power that drove me back to Pharo. Cuis did not seem faster in any way, either, and I was expecting th

Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork

2020-05-16 Thread Eric Gade
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:19 AM Ben Coman wrote: > > > But lets also consider something at least as important as all the other > points... "resourcing". > Assuming all technical and political issues were dealt with, who will do > this reintegration work? > Assuming You were at a point where you

Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork

2020-05-16 Thread Ben Coman
On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 16:57, Shaping wrote: > You also had personality differences and disagreements which developed > over years. Eventually the Pink plane community forked and created Pharo. > The foundational community of Squeak (Blue plane) did not want to make the > changes the Pink plane c

Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork

2020-05-16 Thread Stephen Davies
Hi, It's worth mentioning Cuis which has a radical commitment to simplification - at the expense of power I suspect but more understandable for a begginer, I find. On Sat, 16 May 2020, 10:57 Shaping, wrote: > Hi Jimmie. > > > > On 5/15/20 5:26 AM, Shaping wrote: > > I don’t understand the spl

[Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork

2020-05-16 Thread Shaping
Hi Jimmie. On 5/15/20 5:26 AM, Shaping wrote: I don’t understand the split. It looks silly. Maybe someone can explain the split in terms of technical/architectural advantages, if any exist. I began using Squeak about 20 years ago. And then Pharo when it started. I will explain as best

Re: [Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork - was: Squeak and Pharo speed differences

2020-05-15 Thread Cédrick Béler
Nicely said 👏 > Le 15 mai 2020 à 17:39, Jimmie Houchin a écrit : > >  >> On 5/15/20 5:26 AM, Shaping wrote: >> I don’t understand the split. It looks silly. Maybe someone can explain >> the split in terms of technical/architectural advantages, if any exist. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Shaping >

[Pharo-dev] Squeak and Pharo why the fork - was: Squeak and Pharo speed differences

2020-05-15 Thread Jimmie Houchin
On 5/15/20 5:26 AM, Shaping wrote: I don’t understand the split.  It looks silly.  Maybe someone can explain the split in terms of technical/architectural advantages, if any exist. Cheers, Shaping I began using Squeak about 20 years ago. And then Pharo when it started. I will explain as bes