Re: [Pharo-project] lisencing

2009-02-27 Thread Matthew Fulmer
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:38:43AM +0100, St?phane Ducasse wrote: > Ideally we should check that the guy sign the squeak MIT agreement but > this is not clear where this information here to me > Matthew? do you know? The most up-to-date list of ok contributors is at http://www.squeaksource.com/

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue #112: Enhanced colors

2009-02-27 Thread Igor Stasenko
+1 to package 2009/2/28 Rob Rothwell : > I kind of like that Package idea...although I have years of QBColor(13) to > overcome...! > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Stéphane Ducasse > wrote: >> >> > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=112 >> > >> > Who thinks that we should add the

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue #112: Enhanced colors

2009-02-27 Thread Rob Rothwell
I kind of like that Package idea...although I have years of QBColor(13) to overcome...! On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=112 > > > > Who thinks that we should add these colors? These are more than 100 > > additional name

Re: [Pharo-project] About little magic to support understanding

2009-02-27 Thread Igor Stasenko
Hello Stef, i designed own little thingy to intercept any message sent to an object, including #DNU. See, if it can be useful for you. As an example there is a subclass (CVMsgHandlingProxy) which i'm using to write an inline code to handle messages right in place where i creating a proxy: superR

Re: [Pharo-project] Some issues with Pharo-dev build #10243

2009-02-27 Thread David Röthlisberger
>> Just curious: Did you load this versions by hand? Because those versions of >> OB are >> still alpha, so we have to expect dev-dev behavior in those. ;) > > pharo-dev is now based on #loadOBAlpha. ah. Hm, not sure whether this is convenient. I mean every commit to the OB repository has to

Re: [Pharo-project] About little magic to support understanding

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> so what about Morph's abuse of includesSelector: would it be > confused by asking ProtoObject instance if it > understands #lalaland: I have to think :) Right now it freezes hard :) ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.

[Pharo-project] About redefinedMethods

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys I would like to add redefinedMethods in class and friend. Because this is useful. Do you know if something like that already exist? Point selectors intersection: (Point allSuperclasses inject: Set new into: [:sum :each | sum addAll: each selectors; yourself]) Stef __

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Janko Mivšek
Philippe, One idea: Kom needs MIME support, Swazoo does not. So in case of Swazoo you deal with a MIME in web server adapter, right? What if you do the same, use your own MIME support in adapter for Kom as well? Best regards Janko Philippe Marschall pravi: > Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> I have pr

Re: [Pharo-project] About little magic to support understanding

2009-02-27 Thread John M McIntosh
so what about Morph's abuse of includesSelector: would it be confused by asking ProtoObject instance if it understands #lalaland: On 27-Feb-09, at 10:02 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > John > > normally when a method is not found I copy it from the class to the > empty copy so slowly it gets

Re: [Pharo-project] ENH thisContext arguments

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 27, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > 2009/2/27 Stéphane Ducasse : >> May be this can be useful to have that defined in ContextPart >> > this is definitely useful to hackers, who playing with contexts. > But code which deals with contexts is uncommon thing. but when you need it you

Re: [Pharo-project] About little magic to support understanding

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
John normally when a method is not found I copy it from the class to the empty copy so slowly it gets automagically filled up. This is fun you see the result of your actions live. So normally I should not have the problem you describe. In fact the first thing I tried was to inspect the object

Re: [Pharo-project] ENH thisContext arguments

2009-02-27 Thread Igor Stasenko
2009/2/27 Stéphane Ducasse : > May be this can be useful to have that defined in ContextPart > this is definitely useful to hackers, who playing with contexts. But code which deals with contexts is uncommon thing. From this point i see it worth adding only to have a complete coverage of ways to acc

Re: [Pharo-project] About little magic to support understanding

2009-02-27 Thread John M McIntosh
Well for the objective C bridge MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/ObjectiveCBridge2' user: '' password: '' I used ProtoObject as the super class of the ObjectiveCObject and supplied doesNotUnderstand: to forward messages to the Objective-C plugin fo

[Pharo-project] About little magic to support understanding

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi I wanted to see what is used in Morph so I did the following Define a subclass of ProtoObject and redefnied DNU as follow doesNotUnderstand: aMessage | sel category | sel := aMessage selector. Transcript show: 'Does not understand ', aMessage selector printString

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
>>> > With my changes to Pharo (which of course first need to be > integrated), I will integrate them this evening. > > the changed (not forked!) version of Kom and the few changes for > Seaside > (which need to be integrated) there is no need for a fork!!! > > Those versions should work on b

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
So you even got a solution :) Excellent! But this is also a good point because it means that for the future we will have again this kind of discussion.exciting. Stef On Feb 27, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Philippe Marschall wrote: >> Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> I have problems

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
you know I guess that I know what is maintenance. >> I have problems to understand why this would be not reasonable that >> people load a give kom version for seaside on squeak >> and one for seaside on pharo. > > Loading is one thing. What bothers we more is the maintenance > situation. > Let's

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Michael Rueger
Philippe Marschall wrote: > Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> I have problems to understand why this would be not reasonable that >> people load a give kom version for seaside on squeak >> and one for seaside on pharo. > > Loading is one thing. What bothers we more is the maintenance situation. > Let's f

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Philippe Marschall
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Michael Rueger wrote: > >> Lukas Renggli wrote: what seasiders think? I would be in favor to get a KOM pharo version >>> Having two incompatible versions of Kom makes distribution even more >>> painful as it is today. I would prefer

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Philippe Marschall
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > I have problems to understand why this would be not reasonable that > people load a give kom version for seaside on squeak > and one for seaside on pharo. Loading is one thing. What bothers we more is the maintenance situation. Let's face it, there are far too resources b

[Pharo-project] ENH thisContext arguments

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
May be this can be useful to have that defined in ContextPart arguments "returns the arguments of a message invocation" | arguments numargs | numargs := self method numArgs. arguments := Array new: numargs. 1 to: numargs do: [:i | arguments at: i p

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse > wrote: >> I have problems to understand why this would be not reasonable that >> people load a give kom version for seaside on squeak >> and one for seaside on pharo. > > The problem is that

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue #112: Enhanced colors

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=112 > > Who thinks that we should add these colors? These are more than 100 > additional named colors like #paleGoldenrod, #mediumOrchid, #thistle, > etc. > > I'd vote against adding them since I don't see their merit. > > Other opinions? we could

[Pharo-project] Issue #112: Enhanced colors

2009-02-27 Thread Adrian Lienhard
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=112 Who thinks that we should add these colors? These are more than 100 additional named colors like #paleGoldenrod, #mediumOrchid, #thistle, etc. I'd vote against adding them since I don't see their merit. Other opinions? Cheers, Adrian

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Damien Cassou
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > The problem is that people load released versions from SqueakMap or > Package Universe. As long as Pharo shares the Squeak Package Universe > there is no way of cleanly deciding which version of Kom to load. Pharo will probably have its own

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Keith Hodges
> Second the fix is not that ugly. It just sends #asString to something it > expects to be a String. This is not a that uncommon idiom. And we > already have to do something way uglier for ensuring author initials. > How about taking the Author initials stuff from pharo, and publishing it as a

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Lukas Renggli
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > I have problems to understand why this would be not reasonable that > people load a give kom version for seaside on squeak > and one for seaside on pharo. The problem is that people load released versions from SqueakMap or Package Univer

Re: [Pharo-project] method missing installing Seaside

2009-02-27 Thread Lukas Renggli
That's a known problem, see "[Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?". As a workaround use an old Pharo image from around December. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http:/

[Pharo-project] method missing installing Seaside

2009-02-27 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, I downloaded latest pharo-dev from the downloads page, and executed this: Installer universe install: 'Seaside'. But it fails, I'm getting a DNU on MIMEDocument>>resetMIMEdatabase... :( Cheers, Esteban ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-proje

Re: [Pharo-project] Announcements for Pharo?

2009-02-27 Thread Igor Stasenko
2009/2/26 Norbert Hartl : > On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 07:45 -0800, Michael Rueger wrote: >> Keith Hodges wrote: >> >> >>     We will include it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, we will try with Pharo then. >> >> Lautaro Fernández >> > I am confused. Surely you would expect a loadable package to remain >> > l

Re: [Pharo-project] lisencing

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi henrik (I should check that your fax arrived :) Ideally we should check that the guy sign the squeak MIT agreement but this is not clear where this information here to me Matthew? do you know? I could add that next to the list of ok committers. If the code is not MIT we do not

Re: [Pharo-project] Announcements for Pharo?

2009-02-27 Thread Jérôme
I agree. Am 26.02.2009 um 17:19 schrieb Janko Mivšek: > > Announcements will soon become as core as Morphic, actually even more, > because they can replace the existing event mechanism in Morphic. VW > guys actually did that in their GUI, so this is proven in practice. > > Therefore it is good for

Re: [Pharo-project] lisencing

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes... time time time... Stef On Feb 26, 2009, at 11:30 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I just saw the list of pending packages for pharo-dev and I noted >>> that >>> there is a package made by me (OB-Algernon), it is a little package >>> with few changes to algernon... > > > I if I might

Re: [Pharo-project] Aaah, the pain or ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On > Luigi was one of the best students I ever worked with. He worked very > hard on Safarà and I am impressed by the result, especially given that > he was relatively new to Smalltalk and Squeak when the project > started. He has a strong background in Lisp and Emacs and therefore > has good know

Re: [Pharo-project] Guys please sign the license agreement so that

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks! put a nice stamp :) Stef On Feb 27, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Rob Rothwell wrote: > Ok...it may take a while to get there from the United States! > > Rob > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Stéphane Ducasse > wrote: > we do not have problem in the future... > > http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/lice

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I have problems to understand why this would be not reasonable that people load a give kom version for seaside on squeak and one for seaside on pharo. If you put too much constraints then do not cry after that squeak code is shitty because it is. On Feb 27, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Philippe Marschall

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi philppe If seaside people does not help then you should not complain that Squeak sucks and that nothing is fixed. So what is important it to find what is reasonable to do. So either help and we will arrive to a fix point or don't complain for the next 5 years. Stef > Michael Rueger wrot

Re: [Pharo-project] lisencing

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi esteban two questions: - what is the license of algernon? MIT I hope - then to sign the agreement this is easy you print the page and sign it. http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/ Stef On Feb 26, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > Hi, > I

Re: [Pharo-project] Aaah, the pain or ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)

2009-02-27 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
do you think that this is a matter of running a profiler or that there is something consuming too much messages (double dispatch or something like that?) Do you know if its author would like to continue in a SummerTalk or related? Stef On Feb 26, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> Is