[Pharo-project] About SimpleMorphic

2010-11-06 Thread Juan Vuletich
Hi Folks, I apologize for not answering the original messages properly, I had mail deliver disabled, so I can't. I have enabled it, so I'll answer properly from now on. To Hillarie: If you don't use Polymorph, but want to build your own Morphs from scratch, SimpleMorphic is simpler, easier t

[Pharo-project] Morphic 3, Cuis, Simple Morphic and Esug's sponsoring

2010-11-06 Thread Juan Vuletich
Hi Folks, All what Stef said wrt these issues is correct. I just want to (perhaps) make some detail clearer. Esug agreed to sponsor Morphic 3 about one year ago. At that time I expected to have a working and usable system by the end of this year. This is not going to happen. Main reasons are

Re: [Pharo-project] SmalltalkImage

2010-11-06 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Benjamin wrote: Hi guys, I wonder how SmalltalkImage create the Smalltalk instance. Can someone explain me that ? Smalltalk is a global variable, it's value is the only instance of SmalltalkImage. The code that created the instance was removed, so you won't find it.

[Pharo-project] SmalltalkImage

2010-11-06 Thread Benjamin
Hi guys, I wonder how SmalltalkImage create the Smalltalk instance. Can someone explain me that ? Thank you Ben

Re: [Pharo-project] OSX Pharo Shout Workspace is laggy

2010-11-06 Thread sergio_101
> > In that case you're using OCompletion. If you load it's latest version, it > should be significantly faster. Here's a script for loading it: > great! got it.. working with this now.. thanks! -- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary http://www.CodingForHire.com http://ww

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hi Hilaire, I do not think that PharoCore image generated from PharoKernel will be better for your needs. It is not significantly smaller, it has almost the same code base and bugs are common because the original image did a lot of forgotten ad hoc initializations. -- Pavel On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 a

[Pharo-project] PharoKernel #12229

2010-11-06 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hi, I uploaded an updated version of PharoKernel. It is now able to load all PharoCore packages (resultant image included). https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27904/PharoKernel-1.2-12229.zip If you want to use DejaVu fonts, uncomment in the file initCore.st this lines: Gofer it squeakso

Re: [Pharo-project] RoarVM - Pharo and Squeak on Multicore

2010-11-06 Thread Stefan Marr
Hello: On 05 Nov 2010, at 17:58, Eagle Offshore wrote: > So how does it spread out the workload? Where can I read more about how it > handles concurrency and race conditions? May I suggest to join the discussion on the VM mailing list? http://forum.world.st/RoarVM-The-Manycore-SqueakVM-td302532

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd:Dr.geo en Arabe

2010-11-06 Thread YossiDM
I've had problems with Hebrew fonts which should fall in the same problem space. I just tried some true type ones and the glyphs don't show (same fonts work just fine in eclipse and visual studio). Maybe a bitmap version would work. In any case, it's hard enough getting right to left working in

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd:Dr.geo en Arabe

2010-11-06 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with arabic. I think writing right-to-left does not work, so editing would probably not. Also, letters containing multiple glyphs will probably fail to be composited correctly. The best bet is probably to load up a FT-type containing arabic glyphs and see how far y

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, I was more hoping from a reply from Juan or someone that knows the details actually :). Cheers, Doru On 6 Nov 2010, at 20:00, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would be interested in testing these changes, but could we get a sum

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > I would be interested in testing these changes, but could we get a summary, > or at least the intention behind these changes? What does Simple mean in this > context? less dust in morphic. This is basically the work that juan did in CUI

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Gabriel, Benjamin and Nicolas paez started to work on kernels (collaborating also with pavel). Now Benjamin is starting to generate a new kernel using microSqueak approach. just that you know our plans we are working on pine kernel = microsqueak with as less as modifications as possible

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, I would be interested in testing these changes, but could we get a summary, or at least the intention behind these changes? What does Simple mean in this context? Cheers, Doru On 6 Nov 2010, at 19:10, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Thanks german > This is what I think too but I like that oth

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> A great job is done in aggregating energy to make Pharo a sexy Smalltalk > development plateform. > Was SimpleMorphic sponsoried under this perspective? not really. ESUG wanted to push Morphic 30 and juan did a new proposal (one that was more reasonable than the one in 2008). Now since having a

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Pavel, I would like to be your first user. I am planing for a DrGeo release in the coming weeks, so I will definitely take a look. Hilaire Le 06/11/2010 12:47, Pavel Krivanek a écrit : > This screenshot is more representative ;-) > > -- Pavel > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Pavel Krivanek

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
A great job is done in aggregating energy to make Pharo a sexy Smalltalk development plateform. Was SimpleMorphic sponsoried under this perspective? And more importantly what is the outcome for a Desktop application developer like me? Hilaire Le 06/11/2010 19:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : > Than

Re: [Pharo-project] Morphic 3 (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

2010-11-06 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: you can add ESUG as sponsors Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally doe

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Igor Stasenko
Thanks for your efforts, Pavel. Having a basic kernel image is very important. Since then we could have a smallest possible piece, where everything starts from. Keep going! -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Sponsor's requests (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

2010-11-06 Thread Igor Stasenko
I think this is better to be discussed between ESUG and Juan, because they know exactly who was involved in what, and what work was sponsored. Speculating about it is counter constructive. :) On 6 November 2010 20:08, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Left blank on purpose > > > > On Nov 6, 2010, at

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks german This is what I think too but I like that other people express what they think :) So thanks. Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Germán Arduino wrote: > I'm not sure if my opinion can have some value because I'm more on the > web arena than in en desktop, but I've on my plans make som

Re: [Pharo-project] Morphic 3 (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >>> you can add ESUG as sponsors >>> >>> Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? >> >> We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally does >> not hurt to say it. >>

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Sponsor's requests (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Left blank on purpose On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have >> been the case? >> Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the s

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Germán Arduino
I'm not sure if my opinion can have some value because I'm more on the web arena than in en desktop, but I've on my plans make somethings (when time permit) using Morphic (Most rewriting things I did in the past with Squeak). I think that if SimpleMorphic is loadable/unloadable and don't generates

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Germán Arduino
Excellent! 2010/11/6 Pavel Krivanek : > This screenshot is more representative ;-) > > -- Pavel > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Pavel Krivanek > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the >> PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See

[Pharo-project] Morphic 3 (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

2010-11-06 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: you can add ESUG as sponsors Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally does not hurt to say it. Even if at the end morphic is not ready for public consumption. Our original

[Pharo-project] [OT] Sponsor's requests (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

2010-11-06 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have been the case? Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the same question technic than you. :) Let's say you're wringting two books at the same time:

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have been the case? Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the same question technic than you. :) Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> you can add ESUG as sponsors > > Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally does not hurt to say it. Even if at the end morphic is not ready for public consumption. Our original idea was not to sponsor SimpleMorphic.

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

2010-11-06 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: you can add ESUG as sponsors Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? Levente Stef On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: Hi Folks, Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes ch

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
This is really cool! On 2010-11-06 08:12:23 -0300, Pavel Krivanek said: Hi all, I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See the attached screenshot. I will publish the scripts later today. Cheers, -- Pavel

[Pharo-project] Date time iso8601 format

2010-11-06 Thread laurent laffont
Hi, I cannot find which method to use to get a Date in iso 8601 format like '2008-02-10T12:00:00Z' ? Cheers, Laurent Laffont Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

[Pharo-project] About simple morphic

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys the mail may be a bit long sorry. ESUG was supporting Morphic 3 (a new proposal) of Juan. Now it occurred that Juan realized that he will not be able to deliver what he wanted. So After discussion one idea was to get simpleMorphic (not lighMorphic) a simpler version of Morphic done by j

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Cool! I hope to get some time this evening to work on the test reorganization and a couple of other things but my time is counted in this moment Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > This screenshot is more representative ;-) > > -- Pavel > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:12 P

Re: [Pharo-project] RoarVM - Pharo and Squeak on Multicore

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks Stefan Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Stefan Marr wrote: > > On 06 Nov 2010, at 10:16, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Should it be included in pharo? >> IfTrue: open a bug tracker issue > That depends on what you think is the correct thing to do... > > Anyway: > http://code.google.co

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread laurent laffont
Yes yes !! So many good news these times :) Laurent On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > Hi all, > > I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the > PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See the attached > screenshot. I will publish the scrip

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Tudor Girba
Nice job. This is exciting! Doru On 6 Nov 2010, at 12:12, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > Hi all, > > I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the > PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See the attached > screenshot. I will publish the scripts later today. > > Chee

[Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

2010-11-06 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hi all, I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See the attached screenshot. I will publish the scripts later today. Cheers, -- Pavel <>

Re: [Pharo-project] Writing API for XML (WAX) - Bibliography example

2010-11-06 Thread Hannes Hirzel
Jaayer, Thanks, I checked out MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/XMLSupport' user: '' password: '' and looked at XML-Parser-tg.101 Right version? the class comment of XMLWriter This class allows you to generate well-formed XML documents using an API simila

Re: [Pharo-project] Introspection on saved image file

2010-11-06 Thread Craig Latta
Hi Yossi-- I've done a lot of work with object memory visualization; check out http://netjam.org/spoon/viz/. I'd be happy to discuss it further. greetings, -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume + 31 020 894 6247 + 1 415 287 3547

Re: [Pharo-project] RoarVM - Pharo and Squeak on Multicore

2010-11-06 Thread Stefan Marr
On 06 Nov 2010, at 10:16, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Should it be included in pharo? > IfTrue: open a bug tracker issue That depends on what you think is the correct thing to do... Anyway: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3209 -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Univer

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I found them. Now the question is how to handle the list On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release >> notes describes changes in re

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release > notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many > of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to > ha

Re: [Pharo-project] RoarVM - Pharo and Squeak on Multicore

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Should it be included in pharo? IfTrue: open a bug tracker issue >>> From my understanding, the idea is that if there is no event, the primitive >>> will fail. >>> And all other images have that case covered. They set the first array index >>> to EventTypeNone. >>> >>> Thus, "InputEventFetcher>

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

2010-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
you can add ESUG as sponsors Stef On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release > notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many > of the enhancements could be also usefu

Re: [Pharo-project] Bugreport?

2010-11-06 Thread bb
There is a SqueakVM for 64 bit as well, see: http://www.squeakvm.org/squeak64/ As squeak is running on my machine with fedora13 64 bit WITHOUT the 32 bit libGLU.so.1 (as I have explained in another mail, the only libGLU is in the directory /usr/lib64) one can make sure that there is a 64 bit versi