[Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer that they can bring us: I mean the fact that we could avoid to have offset based bytecode means that we could reuse a lot more the methods (in special case - mixins and others). Now I have a question does the JIT

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO] 1.2 Core + Full

2010-12-22 Thread Luc Fabresse
Hi Marcus, Thanks, your mails are good to push me ahead ;-) I think that #3455 is ready for integration (make 2 tests pass in dev). and #3447 too (provided CS or just remove the method). #Luc 2010/12/22 Marcus Denker > For 1.2 to to be released, we need to > > a) get all tests green. > Th

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO] 1.2 Core + Full

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes I will help too. On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > For 1.2 to to be released, we need to > > a) get all tests green. > There are right now 9 failing tests in Core and 9 additional one in the full > image. > > 9 of 7915 tests fail: > > https://pharo-ic.

[Pharo-project] Issue 3474 in pharo: BmpReadWriterPlugin primitives should be used

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Status: Accepted Owner: torsten@astares.de Labels: Type-Squeak New issue 3474 by torsten@astares.de: BmpReadWriterPlugin primitives should be used http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3474 Andreas wrote: "For some strange reasons the BMP read/write primitives weren't enable

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3474 in pharo: BmpReadWriterPlugin primitives should be used

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Labels: Milestone-1.3 Comment #1 on issue 3474 by stephane.ducasse: BmpReadWriterPlugin primitives should be used http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3474 Tx torsten.

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3458 in pharo: bug in the class MultiByteFileStream when Pharo running under Windows

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Accepted Labels: Milestone-1.2 Comment #1 on issue 3458 by stephane.ducasse: bug in the class MultiByteFileStream when Pharo running under Windows http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3458 Tx

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3459 in pharo: includesSubstring: aString caseSensitive: caseSensitive / includesSubString:

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Labels: Milestone-1.3 Comment #2 on issue 3459 by stephane.ducasse: includesSubstring: aString caseSensitive: caseSensitive / includesSubString: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3459 Why do you want to have only one method? Having two is nice, you get a fallb

[Pharo-project] PharoCore #12884

2010-12-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi, I just updated my 1.2 core to #12884 with 3 updates and my MC repos are gone from my packages, only the standard repos remain. Maybe this is a sign of something that went wrong. Sven

[Pharo-project] big ui decisions

2010-12-22 Thread Chip Nowacek
Thanks for your help so far. Now that I've had a chance to get my feet wet, start an eval of VW, watch Peter Fisk's progress, etc. I've hit a scary point. To go the distance, my app needs the maturity and capacity of Squeak/Pharo/VW(?). And, near- and long-term, it needs an elegant, cogent, capti

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO] 1.2 Core + Full

2010-12-22 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Luc Fabresse wrote: > Hi Marcus, > > Thanks, your mails are good to push me ahead ;-) > > I think that #3455 is ready for integration (make 2 tests pass in dev). > and #3447 too (provided CS or just remove the method). > Luc, in the cae of 3447, you should comm

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore #12884

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> Hi, > > I just updated my 1.2 core to #12884 with 3 updates and my MC repos are gone > from my packages, only the standard repos remain. > > Maybe this is a sign of something that went wrong. no this is just that some package where home-orphaned and marcus issued a command to clean (becaus

Re: [Pharo-project] big ui decisions

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Dec 22, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Chip Nowacek wrote: > > Thanks for your help so far. > > Now that I've had a chance to get my feet wet, start an eval of VW, watch > Peter Fisk's progress, etc. I've hit a scary point. To go the distance, my > app needs the maturity and capacity of Squeak/Pharo/VW(

[Pharo-project] about copy in the bug tracker

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys am i the only one having problem with copy (control-C when on the bug tracker)? I hate when it create a new entry. Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] big ui decisions

2010-12-22 Thread Janko Mivšek
Hi Chip, For really cool web browser based apps watch also Iliad [1] and Aida/Web [2], we both have a big plans on richer client-side web apps, also standalone and offline, that is, they can work without a connection to the web server. And there are tools which package such an app actually comple

Re: [Pharo-project] big ui decisions

2010-12-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 December 2010 11:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Chip Nowacek wrote: > >> >> Thanks for your help so far. >> >> Now that I've had a chance to get my feet wet, start an eval of VW, watch >> Peter Fisk's progress, etc. I've hit a scary point. To go the distance, m

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3459 in pharo: includesSubstring: aString caseSensitive: caseSensitive / includesSubString:

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #3 on issue 3459 by Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo: includesSubstring: aString caseSensitive: caseSensitive / includesSubString: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3459 I do not want to have one method, but that both selector started the same way one started by incl

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Graph library in Smalltalk - Need for advices

2010-12-22 Thread Tudor Girba
Like I wrote before, MooseAlgos is a separate and independent project. But, yes, it would be really great to have a stronger effort around these topics, and the Moose community could provide the right environment for this. Cheers, Doru On 22 Dec 2010, at 08:50, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > this

Re: [Pharo-project] about copy in the bug tracker

2010-12-22 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > am i the only one having problem with copy (control-C when on the bug > tracker)? > I hate when it create a new entry. > no, you are not alone. It happens the same to me. Maybe it is only mac? >

Re: [Pharo-project] Dear Santa ...

2010-12-22 Thread Janko Mivšek
Hi Eliot, On 20. 12. 2010 20:00, Eliot Miranda wrote: > - Namespaces > - Breakpoints > - Monticello/Metacello directly from browser > - portable async FFI > - SOAP/WSDL with object mapping and one-click tool > - even more usability enhancements > - rock solid image and

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2232 in pharo: digitValue speed up part one and two.

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #9 on issue 2232 by stephane.ducasse: digitValue speed up part one and two. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2232 I'm now checking normally just the last method definition but I'm taking the time to look.

[Pharo-project] Issue 3475 in pharo: Finder insensitive selector/class researches

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Status: Fixed Owner: Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo New issue 3475 by Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo: Finder insensitive selector/class researches http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3475 Now, the selector and class researches in Finder are case insensitive. Posted in PharoTaskForces an

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3453 in pharo: Primitive failed on ByteString>>copyFrom:To:

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Duplicate Cc: -stephane.ducasse Mergedinto: 3472 Comment #2 on issue 3453 by laurent.laffont: Primitive failed on ByteString>>copyFrom:To: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3453 duplicate of #3472

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore #12884

2010-12-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 22 Dec 2010, at 10:58, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just updated my 1.2 core to #12884 with 3 updates and my MC repos are gone >> from my packages, only the standard repos remain. >> >> Maybe this is a sign of something that went wrong. > > no this is just that some package where

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3472 in pharo: Text selection problem in Pharo-dev 1.2

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Cc: stephane.ducasse Comment #6 on issue 3472 by laurent.laffont: Text selection problem in Pharo-dev 1.2 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3472 Issue 3453 has been merged into this issue.

Re: [Pharo-project] about copy in the bug tracker

2010-12-22 Thread Patrick Barroca
no it's not, seems to me a google "shortcut feature" where typing 'c' means create. work the same in gmail. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianop...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < > stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote: > >> H

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO] 1.2 Core + Full

2010-12-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Ok, I check the one on MessageTally Alexandre On 22 Dec 2010, at 04:07, Marcus Denker wrote: > For 1.2 to to be released, we need to > > a) get all tests green. > There are right now 9 failing tests in Core and 9 additional one in the full > image. > > 9 of 7915 tests fail: >

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3447 in pharo: Do we need to menu entry "Shout Workspace"?

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #5 on issue 3447 by guillermopolito: Do we need to menu entry "Shout Workspace"? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3447 Mariano said: Luc, in the cae of 3447, you should commit to the Shout repo since this is not part ofpharo core. BTWwhich version of ShoutWorkspa

Re: [Pharo-project] about copy in the bug tracker

2010-12-22 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Patrick Barroca wrote: > no it's not, seems to me a google "shortcut feature" where typing 'c' means > create. > work the same in gmail. no, but in gmail you have press only 'c'. In google code happens when pressing cmd + 'c' (which is the copy paste shortcut).

[Pharo-project] Tests for XMLWriter?

2010-12-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi! Ivan and I tried to use XMLWriter yesterday, but without tests it is a bit cryptic. Are the tests of XMLWriter available somewhere? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Re: [Pharo-project] about copy in the bug tracker

2010-12-22 Thread George Herolyants
No, you're not the only person experiencing this strange behaviour :). I can reproduce it under Windows using Firefox (Ctrl+C, Alt+C, C only :)), but not Chrome or IE. So it seems like nice bug of google, or Firefox :) George

[Pharo-project] Issue 3476 in pharo: ToolsTest.MessageTally.MessageTallyTest.testTallySends is now green

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Status: Accepted Owner: alexandre.bergel CC: marcus.denker, stephane.ducasse Labels: Difficulty-Easy Milestone-1.2 New issue 3476 by alexandre.bergel: ToolsTest.MessageTally.MessageTallyTest.testTallySends is now green http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3476 In a 12284, testTall

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3442 in pharo: Debugger Tests

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Cc: marcus.denker Comment #2 on issue 3442 by alexandre.bergel: Debugger Tests http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3442 Apparently some changes were made in the debugger (the content of a block is displayed in the stack now). The test had to be updated (Fixed test

Re: [Pharo-project] about copy in the bug tracker

2010-12-22 Thread Patrick Barroca
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM, George Herolyants < george.herolya...@gmail.com> wrote: > No, you're not the only person experiencing this strange behaviour :). > I can reproduce it under Windows using Firefox (Ctrl+C, Alt+C, C only > :)), but not Chrome or IE. > So it seems like nice bug of goog

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO] 1.2 Core + Full

2010-12-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
One test fixed: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3476 Also, it would be cool to have our test on the debugger: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3442 It run green. It is tagged Milestone-1.3. Why not to include it in 1.2? Cheers, Alexandre On 22 Dec 2010, at 04:07

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO] 1.2 Core + Full

2010-12-22 Thread Yanni Chiu
On 22/12/10 2:07 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: 23 reports are tagged as 1.2: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone=1.2&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Milestone%20Difficulty The fix/test for Issue 3452 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3452 s

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2232 in pharo: digitValue speed up part one and two.

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #10 on issue 2232 by stephane.ducasse: digitValue speed up part one and two. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2232 in 12285

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3476 in pharo: ToolsTest.MessageTally.MessageTallyTest.testTallySends is now green

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #1 on issue 3476 by stephane.ducasse: ToolsTest.MessageTally.MessageTallyTest.testTallySends is now green http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3476 Tx alex!! Now your code does not make the tesTallySends green so I do not get it. :)

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3476 in pharo: ToolsTest.MessageTally.MessageTallyTest.testTallySends is now green

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #2 on issue 3476 by stephane.ducasse: ToolsTest.MessageTally.MessageTallyTest.testTallySends is now green http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3476 Ok I see there was another package version. So in 12285

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3475 in pharo: Finder insensitive selector/class researches

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: closed Labels: Milestone-1.2 Comment #1 on issue 3475 by stephane.ducasse: Finder insensitive selector/class researches http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3475 in 12285

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Graph library in Smalltalk - Need for advices

2010-12-22 Thread Cédrick Béler
> > Sorry for the late reply, I've been away on business. I'm going to have to > make one of those unfortunate long posts, so hopefully I can hold the > attention span of those already interested anyway. Not so long and very interesting so please continue... :) some comments below (remember I h

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3472 in pharo: Text selection problem in Pharo-dev 1.2

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #7 on issue 3472 by stephane.ducasse: Text selection problem in Pharo-dev 1.2 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3472 Thanks a lot alain. Now in 12285

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3442 in pharo: Debugger Tests

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #3 on issue 3442 by stephane.ducasse: Debugger Tests http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3442 in 12285

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3474 in pharo: BmpReadWriterPlugin primitives should be used

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: closed Labels: -Milestone-1.3 Milestone-1.2 Comment #2 on issue 3474 by stephane.ducasse: BmpReadWriterPlugin primitives should be used http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3474 in 12286 :) funny that something so important for non academic was not

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3419 in pharo: TraitCompositionTest>>testProvidedMethodBindingsWithConflicts is failing

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #3 on issue 3419 by stephane.ducasse: TraitCompositionTest>>testProvidedMethodBindingsWithConflicts is failing http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3419 that is strange!

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3419 in pharo: TraitCompositionTest>>testProvidedMethodBindingsWithConflicts is failing

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #2 on issue 3419 by stephane.ducasse: TraitCompositionTest>>testProvidedMethodBindingsWithConflicts is failing http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3419 that is strange!

Re: [Pharo-project] Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Well, it seems like both pages have made it to the front page of news.ycombinator.com reddit.com/programming/ with some good comments, this is great publicity! (And no, I didn't post them.) On 21 Dec 2010, at 13:08, Cédrick Béler wrote: > Le 20 déc. 2010 à 23:31, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écr

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3418 in pharo: MessageTallyTest>>#testTallySends is failing

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: closed Comment #1 on issue 3418 by stephane.ducasse: MessageTallyTest>>#testTallySends is failing http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3418 green in 12285

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3452 in pharo: GlorpDBX no longer loads due to garbled timestamp

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Labels: Milestone-1.2 Comment #7 on issue 3452 by stephane.ducasse: GlorpDBX no longer loads due to garbled timestamp http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3452 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3452 in pharo: GlorpDBX no longer loads due to garbled timestamp

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Fixed Comment #8 on issue 3452 by stephane.ducasse: GlorpDBX no longer loads due to garbled timestamp http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3452 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3452 in pharo: GlorpDBX no longer loads due to garbled timestamp

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: closed Comment #9 on issue 3452 by stephane.ducasse: GlorpDBX no longer loads due to garbled timestamp http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3452 in 12286

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2611 in pharo: DNU when clicking on active text in class comment

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #7 on issue 2611 by stephane.ducasse: DNU when clicking on active text in class comment http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2611 I tried your script and it is empty now on 12286 I also tried ProtoObject allSubclasses do: [:class |

[Pharo-project] Issue 3477 in pharo: Should not we remove TextLink, TextURL and friends?

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Status: Accepted Owner: stephane.ducasse Labels: Milestone-1.3 New issue 3477 by stephane.ducasse: Should not we remove TextLink, TextURL and friends? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3477 or at least understand well the references.

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3263 in pharo: Add followingBytecode method to InstructionStream

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Summary: Add followingBytecode method to InstructionStream Status: closed Comment #3 on issue 3263 by stephane.ducasse: Add followingBytecode method to InstructionStream http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3263 in 12286

[Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12286

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
12286 - - Issue 3474: BmpReadWriterPlugin primitives should be used. Thanks Andreas Raab and Igor Stasenko for the funny discussion on this useful plugin :). - Issue 3452: GlorpDBX no longer loads due to garbled timestamp. Thanks Yanni Chiu. - Issue 3263: Add followingBytecode method t

Re: [Pharo-project] Graph library in Smalltalk - Need for advices

2010-12-22 Thread Chris Muller
>> Hi Alexandre, I only have very limited experience with Mondrian, so >> please excuse me if this is a stupid question.  Is it possible to >> employ an Iterator to simply draw on a raster image rather than >> creating a model in RAM?  Perhaps it could be an option?  Would it be >> hard to make Mon

[Pharo-project] Issue 3478 in pharo: [Failing Test] Graphics.Tests.Files.BMPReadWriterTest.testBmp24Bit

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Status: Accepted Owner: marcus.denker Labels: Milestone-1.2 New issue 3478 by marcus.denker: [Failing Test] Graphics.Tests.Files.BMPReadWriterTest.testBmp24Bit http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3478 Graphics.Tests.Files.BMPReadWriterTest.testBmp24Bit

Re: [Pharo-project] Graph library in Smalltalk - Need for advices

2010-12-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
> Raster image = bitmap. As you know, bitmaps have the ability, no > matter whether you render 1 node or 1-billion nodes and edges on it, > it does not take up much more space. It depends on the size of the bitmap :-) > But because Mondrian builds an object-model in RAM (from which it > renders)

Re: [Pharo-project] Error on page http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo

2010-12-22 Thread Marcus Denker
This is now fixed http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project On Dec 21, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > I opened a ticke with the support. > > On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:04 AM, James Foster wrote: > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo gives

Re: [Pharo-project] SandstoneDb + SortedCollections

2010-12-22 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Ramon Leon wrote: > On 12/21/2010 08:51 PM, David Zmick wrote: > >> What can I do to fix this? >> > > Another option might be to use a sort block that isn't a block, but an > ordinary object that responds as a sort block would, allowing the collection > to be seri

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer > that they can bring us: > I mean the fact that we could avoid to have offset based bytecode means > that we could reuse a

Re: [Pharo-project] Graph library in Smalltalk - Need for advices

2010-12-22 Thread Chris Muller
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> Raster image = bitmap.  As you know, bitmaps have the ability, no >> matter whether you render 1 node or 1-billion nodes and edges on it, >> it does not take up much more space. > > It depends on the size of the bitmap :-) Not really; i

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 21 Dec 2010, at 19:16, Levente Uzonyi wrote: a) removing unessential code from Squeak (Squeak, having started as a children.s education project, has accumulated a fair amount of cruft over the years), b) clearer licensing (MIT license), c

Re: [Pharo-project] Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: Well, it seems like both pages have made it to the front page of news.ycombinator.com reddit.com/programming/ with some good comments, this is great publicity! (And no, I didn't post them.) It's sad, because one of posts has false informati

[Pharo-project] a moment of truth and fun

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys I found this document of humor on my hd and I wanted to share with you. For me this was a real gift :) http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Web/havingFunWithStephane.pdf Thanks vincent. Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] a moment of truth and fun

2010-12-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
My name could also be at the end of the pdf :-) Alexandre On 22 Dec 2010, at 14:55, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I found this document of humor on my hd and I wanted to share with you. > For me this was a real gift :) > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Web/havingFunWithStephane.p

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi guys Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer that they can bring us: I mean the fact that we could avoid to have offset based bytecode means that we could reuse a lot more the methods (in special case - mixins a

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
2010/12/22 Levente Uzonyi : > On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer >> that they can bring us: >> I mean the fact that we could avoid to have offset based bytecode means >> that we could reuse a lot

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Levente What do you want to prove? We pushed/supported squeak since 3.5 or even before. So what? We were harvesters of bug fixes long long long long time ago. We started to clean squeak years ago. Do you want me to come up with a similar timeline from our effort? I do not have that amount of t

[Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Since about the middle of 2010 I have been actively following Pharo and it has been an amazing time. These are my highlights, there are probably many others. 0.x became 1.0, then came 1.1 and finally 1.1.1. There has been amazing activity on 1.2. Seaside became 3.0. I learned how to deploy S

Re: [Pharo-project] a moment of truth and fun

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
:) > My name could also be at the end of the pdf :-) > > Alexandre > > > On 22 Dec 2010, at 14:55, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> I found this document of humor on my hd and I wanted to share with you. >> For me this was a real gift :) >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Web/h

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> Hi guys > > Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer > that they can bring us: > I mean the fact that we could avoid to have offset based bytecode means that > we could reuse a lot more > the methods (in special case - mixins and others). > > Now I have a ques

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
>> Hi guys >> >> Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer >> that they can bring us: >> I mean the fact that we could avoid to have offset based bytecode means that >> we could reuse a lot more >> the methods (in special case - mixins and others). > > It's simpl

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Sven Thanks a ***lot***. We have to do a party close to the border (well we are on the border already) and meet This should be a resolution for 2011. You see, this is because of such a kind of feeling and good energy that we find the energy to do pharo. Pharo is just like that because you are

[Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
Hello Is somebody have built windows PNGReadWriter2Plugin dll? Can you share it? Best regards, Denis

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-22 Thread laurent laffont
Funny, I was thinking of writing such mail two hours ago back from work :) I join my thanks to you because I feel 2010 has been my most intense year of my programmer life. I've learned tremendous stuff, meet amazing people and have the chance to contribute a little with lot of help from the commun

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Wart
Is this the old chestnut about direct access versus accessors from a software engineering standpoint or is it a purely technical discussion? If it's the first, I kind of agree with Igor that *always* using selectors isn't great in Smalltalk, because accessors vs. ivars is the only mechanism we hav

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 December 2010 20:45, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > Hello > > Is somebody have built windows PNGReadWriter2Plugin dll? > Can you share it? Err.. i can't find it. where you seen it? > > Best regards, > Denis > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
:) I showed Smalltalk to hilaire too :) and he was living in this lost place too :) Stef On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:55 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Funny, I was thinking of writing such mail two hours ago back from work :) > > I join my thanks to you because I feel 2010 has been my most intense yea

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
http://www.squeaksource.com/PNGReadWriter2.html I found old email about this (2006 year). And author wrote that he build windows version but without links. 2010/12/22 Igor Stasenko > On 22 December 2010 20:45, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > Hello > > > > Is somebody have built windows PNGReadWrit

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Why do we need a plugin for this? So far, I am quite happy with the exportAsPNG found in Morph. Cheers, Alexandre On 22 Dec 2010, at 17:10, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 22 December 2010 20:45, Denis Kudriashov wrote: >> Hello >> >> Is somebody have built windows PNGReadWriter2Plugin dll? >> Ca

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
I just search more faster way to read png files. I read discussion about bmp plugin. And primitive supported reading is 10 times faster then smalltalk implementation. And I start to search png analogous. And I found PNGReadWriter2 plugin. 2010/12/22 Alexandre Bergel > Why do we need a plugin f

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Luc Fabresse
I ask myself the same question: why do we need plugins to read/write images (PNG, BMP, ..)? I would understand it for JPG which requires some heavy computation. any hint? #Luc 2010/12/22 Alexandre Bergel > Why do we need a plugin for this? So far, I am quite happy with the > exportAsPNG found

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Luc Fabresse
ok, it is for speed. so why don't we use a FFI (FFI, Alien, NB or another) to directly call external lib? #Luc 2010/12/22 Denis Kudriashov > I just search more faster way to read png files. > > I read discussion about bmp plugin. And primitive supported reading is 10 > times faster then smallt

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Ah ok, it makes sense Alexandre On 22 Dec 2010, at 17:25, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > I just search more faster way to read png files. > > I read discussion about bmp plugin. And primitive supported reading is 10 > times faster then smalltalk implementation. > > And I start to search png analo

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi levente, after your mails some people sent me private mails because they did not feel well. They wondered why people were sending mails against pharo in this mailing-list while they do not send aggressive mails in squeak. I can understand them. Now I think that this is ok that you send the m

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: 2010/12/22 Levente Uzonyi : On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi guys Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer that they can bring us: I mean the fact that we could avoid to have offset based bytecode means

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
>> >> Why? For me smalltalk is a syntax and everything is an object. The >> rest is optional. > > Aren't instance variables part of the syntax? Or is Self Smalltalk? ? What if you use the same syntax and behind the scene the system makes sure that you get optimized message send? From a method

Re: [Pharo-project] accessors vs direct access in Cog

2010-12-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
2010/12/22 Levente Uzonyi : > On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> 2010/12/22 Levente Uzonyi : >>> >>> On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> Hi guys Ideally I would love to be able to use accessors as the abstraction layer that they can bring us: I

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
the true fun part of the discussion is that igor wanted to get rid of the plugin and andreas said that BMP is really used but apparently the plugin has not been invoked for years in Squeak and Pharo. So may be it is not that used after all :) Life have beauty when you know how to look at it :) >

Re: [Pharo-project] PNGReadWriter2Plugin

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Dec 22, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Luc Fabresse wrote: > ok, it is for speed. > so why don't we use a FFI (FFI, Alien, NB or another) to directly call > external lib? Luc the primitive is just about one loop for reading and one loop for writing. So this is not calling an external library. Igor cou

[Pharo-project] How I can do SWF files playing in pharo?

2010-12-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
Hello I search way for playing swf files in morphic. Can you advise some approaches for implementing this stuff? I found flash package in squeaksource. But It support only swf format version 3. Its realy up to day. I cant read required flash files. And I dont know how I can improve current imple

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Miguel Cobá
Amazing, it really appears to be that it hurts you everything about Pharo. Even as a mere mention of Pharo in some blog it can trigger a retaliation from you. I can't imagine how many spare hours you have to dedicate to build this impressive list of facts but I think that even the data is (I believ

Re: [Pharo-project] How I can do SWF files playing in pharo?

2010-12-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi denis Long time again we could play flash 3.0 in squeak but this was at a time where the flash license was forbidding even the writing of program interpreting flash internal data. So the flash package did not get maintained to support flash 40 and after it got obsolete. After the license ch

Re: [Pharo-project] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

2010-12-22 Thread laurent laffont
Hi Hernan, finally I switch back to Linux to make it work, OSX gives me headaches. So on linux the yaz module is found. I get the "Unable to find function address" but I found that writing: instead of works. If I understand, function names are not mangled when compiling with gcc on Linux. T

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
guys, lets just stop pouring oil into the flames because it will burn people in both camps, without any benefit to anyone. I am equivalently happy to see any good news about Squeak as well as Pharo. Come on, there is enough space in boat for both of them, not saying about other dialects. -- Best

Re: [Pharo-project] Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-22 Thread Jimmie Houchin
Personally I haven't read any real animosity from Levente toward Pharo in this thread. His issue was not the choice of Pharo but rather the incorrect information stated as a basis of the decision. Pharo has enough good things to represent itself without basing decisions on false data. I happe

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3447 in pharo: Do we need to menu entry "Shout Workspace"?

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #6 on issue 3447 by guillermopolito: Do we need to menu entry "Shout Workspace"? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3447 Ok, I integrated it in the last configuration version. It may be available in the next build :)

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3455 in pharo: Some SystemNavigationTests failed in 1.2-Dev

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Comment #3 on issue 3455 by guillermopolito: Some SystemNavigationTests failed in 1.2-Dev http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3455 Updated last versions of the config to download this fix :)

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2611 in pharo: DNU when clicking on active text in class comment

2010-12-22 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Fixed Comment #8 on issue 2611 by torsten@astares.de: DNU when clicking on active text in class comment http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2611 Yes, all class comments are plain strings. Just checked using the following code: ProtoObject allSubcla

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-22 Thread Germán Arduino
Ey, I want join also to the feelings of Sven and Laurent. I'm in Smalltalk from year 2000 aproximately but only in the last years I'm achieving one of my goals that is work 100% in Smalltalk in my small entrepreneurship dream called Arduino Software. A big part of this history is thanks to Pharo a

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