Re: [Pharo-project] mixing open and closed source within Pharo

2012-06-04 Thread Phil (list)
Igor, On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 3 June 2012 18:01, Phil (list) wrote: >> On Jun 3, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >>> >>> How do people do it with Java? Java .jar files are as easy to decompile as >>> Smalltalk bytecode... >>> >> >> ProGuard (http://p

[Pharo-project] Slides and Pictures PharoConf

2012-06-04 Thread Marcus Denker
Hello, We now have an archiving page for PharoConf2012: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/Events/PharoConf2012 This has all Slides, Success Story presentations and the slides from the "Speed Dating" session. In addition, there are some photos for the two day. Marcus -- Marcu

Re: [Pharo-project] [ConcreteTypeInference] news.

2012-06-04 Thread Edgar J. De Cleene
On 6/3/12 10:31 PM, "Santiago Bragagnolo" wrote: > Hi all! > > >   I'm announcing four new posts on the blog, > > Concrete types - A little brief about concrete types to understand the > mechanisms > http://concretetypeinference.blogspot.com.ar/2012/06/concrete-types.html > > About mecha

Re: [Pharo-project] Log fwk

2012-06-04 Thread Santiago Bragagnolo
Yeah. i was waiting for the integration of TAnnouncer to announcements, but well, i added just now a copy with other name. In other words, theres no more Tannouncer bug :) Thanks for the feedback! 2012/6/4 Edgar J. De Cleene > > > > On 6/3/12 8:11 PM, "Santiago Bragagnolo" > wrote: > > I have a

Re: [Pharo-project] [ConcreteTypeInference] news.

2012-06-04 Thread Santiago Bragagnolo
Thanks :3, i working a lot. ea, ahora me suscribo!. 2012/6/4 Edgar J. De Cleene > > > > On 6/3/12 10:31 PM, "Santiago Bragagnolo" > wrote: > > Hi all! > > > I'm announcing four new posts on the blog, > > Concrete types - A little brief about concrete types to understand the > mechanisms > *h

Re: [Pharo-project] Trouble loading XML RPC

2012-06-04 Thread Noury Bouraqadi
Hi Germán, Thanks for your answer. Indeed, I tried with Pharo 1.4. And had the same issues. My plan is to port XML RPC to Pharo 2. I'm interested on your work with Zinc. Where is it available ? Can I get write access grant to the repo, so I can upload any improvement I do ? What I wanted to do i

Re: [Pharo-project] What i would like to have instead of progress bar

2012-06-04 Thread Chris Muller
I know I'm late to the discussion, but I thought I'd share features of my own design of MaClientProcess, which has been part of the Maui framework for Squeak since 2004, how it handles progress. It is based on the ultimate progress-bar handling I did in VisualAge and published in 1997: - The Cl

[Pharo-project] Next step in cleaning DataStream

2012-06-04 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
So, so far we have removed SmartRefStream, deprecated ReferenceStream and integrated Fuel. The ONLY remaining user for DataStream is Monticello. We do not want to replace that yet because Fuel may still change the format and we do not want to break monticello versions. But, my question is now...sho

Re: [Pharo-project] Next step in cleaning DataStream

2012-06-04 Thread Pavel Krivanek
4. 6. 2012 v 17:58, Mariano Martinez Peck : > So, so far we have removed SmartRefStream, deprecated ReferenceStream and > integrated Fuel. The ONLY remaining user for DataStream is Monticello. We do > not want to replace that yet because Fuel may still change the format and we > do not want t

Re: [Pharo-project] Next step in cleaning DataStream

2012-06-04 Thread Damien Cassou
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > I think it is a good proposal. Then it can be in separate package or as part > of MC package. I would put DataStream and its friends within the monticello package, and prepend MC to their names. Then, you can clean the resulting classes if y

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20110

2012-06-04 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
20110 - Issue 5977: Rpackage may not handle well method removal in traits http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5977 Issue 5997: Classes that implement unsafe equals http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5997 Just 3 rpackage tests in yello

Re: [Pharo-project] STDIO on Win

2012-06-04 Thread Ben Coman
Not sure if this is applicable but I bumped into an article [1] which seems to provide a way to get StdIn/StdOut working. The requirement for WSH 5.6 would seems to be covered as [2] is dated 2000 and talks about 5.6 being preinstalled in Whistler, which was development codename for XP - whi

Re: [Pharo-project] Trouble loading XML RPC

2012-06-04 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jun 4, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Noury Bouraqadi wrote: > Hi Germán, > > Thanks for your answer. Indeed, I tried with Pharo 1.4. And had the same > issues. > My plan is to port XML RPC to Pharo 2. I'm interested on your work with Zinc. > Where is it available ? > > Can I get write access grant to t

[Pharo-project] idle VM runs at constant 3-5% CPU load

2012-06-04 Thread Igor Stasenko
i just wonder, what takes so much CPU time, even if it completely idle... 4831- NBCog4.8 51519- NBCog3.5 if i kill a UI process, the load goes down to 2.5-3 % ... still too much. i would like to know how we can minimize this. The reason why i concerned is straightly pragmatic:

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20110

2012-06-04 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok I know these ones and I will try to allocate some time. stef On Jun 4, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > 20110 > - > > Issue 5977: Rpackage may not handle well method removal in traits > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5977 > > Issue 5997: Clas

Re: [Pharo-project] idle VM runs at constant 3-5% CPU load

2012-06-04 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Yes, we should at least understand why this happens. BTW, another related question is: when running headless, do we actually need those 6 processes ? Sven On 04 Jun 2012, at 21:56, Igor Stasenko wrote: > i just wonder, what takes so much CPU time, even if it completely idle... > > > 4831- N

Re: [Pharo-project] idle VM runs at constant 3-5% CPU load

2012-06-04 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 4 June 2012 22:07, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Yes, we should at least understand why this happens. > > BTW, another related question is: when running headless, do we actually need > those 6 processes ? > well, here ones: 1. Delay 2. Event fetcher 3. Low space watcher 4. UI process 5. fina

Re: [Pharo-project] idle VM runs at constant 3-5% CPU load

2012-06-04 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Hehe, that reminds me time when i had clients using a st-80 app on a server workstation. At that time, MVC UI was still polling, with some kind of heart beat for relaxing CPU cycles... But RAM was not cheap and was the true bottleneck, our app already did already consume a few Mbytes. Naturally use

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassBoxes... bitrotted, or usable?

2012-06-04 Thread Alexandre Bergel
This was the implementation in Modular Smalltalk if I remember correctly. In plain Smalltalk you send a message named #msg and the lookup gives you a compile method. In Modular Smalltalk, there is an intermediary step: #msg -> #Namespace.msg -> compile method Alexandre On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:34

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Roassal 1.28

2012-06-04 Thread Alexandre Bergel
> Thanks alex and others. > Now did you have a look at Athens? > Because you have vector graphics inside the image **now**. > And this is working. I do not understand. There is a vectorial support in the image now? I just checked Pharo 2.0 and I could not see it. There is no alternative to use

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Roassal 1.28

2012-06-04 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2012-06-04, at 23:12, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> Thanks alex and others. >> Now did you have a look at Athens? >> Because you have vector graphics inside the image **now**. >> And this is working. > > I do not understand. There is a vectorial support in the image now? I just > checked Pharo 2.

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Roassal 1.28

2012-06-04 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Here are the instructions I sent to the pharo mailing list for how to install Athens (I also added this comment to the ConfigurationOfAthens): 1. Install Cairo on your machine For example, for Mac, you open the terminal and run: sudo port install -f cairo +universal More information can be

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Roassal 1.28

2012-06-04 Thread Alexandre Bergel
> Igor is working on creating a bundled DLL for easier distribution :) > > wait a few more days and send some cookies to igor :) Excellent! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] idle VM runs at constant 3-5% CPU load

2012-06-04 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > i just wonder, what takes so much CPU time, even if it completely idle... > The basic issue is the idle process that spins doing a yield instead of blocking. Basically, instead of ioRelinquishProcessorForMicroseconds the VM should enter

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] idle VM runs at constant 3-5% CPU load

2012-06-04 Thread Juan Vuletich (mail lists)
Hi Igor, Quoting Igor Stasenko : i just wonder, what takes so much CPU time, even if it completely idle... 4831- NBCog4.8 51519- NBCog3.5 if i kill a UI process, the load goes down to 2.5-3 % ... still too much. Well, there are both image and VM issues here. I'll assume y

[Pharo-project] Magritte 3

2012-06-04 Thread Santiago Bragagnolo
Hi guys! Is there any "what's new in magritte 3" ??

[Pharo-project] About announcements

2012-06-04 Thread Santiago Bragagnolo
Hi All! Im adding an announcer in my project, 'cause, in order to build a call graph, ill need to know about inferencer-stack movements. I was thinking, the meaning of it is to create an announcement object with it configuration for any push or pop of a stack that's similar to the runtime sta

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] idle VM runs at constant 3-5% CPU load

2012-06-04 Thread Andreas Raab
Original-Nachricht > Quoting Igor Stasenko : > > > > > i just wonder, what takes so much CPU time, even if it completely > idle... > > > > > > 4831- NBCog4.8 > > 51519- NBCog3.5 > > > > if i kill a UI process, the load goes down to 2.5-3 % ... > > still too much.

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Roassal 1.28

2012-06-04 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
But if you that would be first user of athens does not try the beta version then do you expect that athens will get out? So how igor know that what he is doing is good. So please follow the instructions and gee feedback igor spent 4 months (at least) on it already Stef On Jun 4, 2012, at 11:3

Re: [Pharo-project] About announcements

2012-06-04 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Santiago Bragagnolo wrote: > Hi All! > > Im adding an announcer in my project, 'cause, in order to build a call > graph, ill need to know about inferencer-stack movements. I was thinking, > the meaning of it is to create an announcement object with it conf

[Pharo-project] Free ST books on the project page

2012-06-04 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Shouldnt the book section http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/tutorials-books on the Pharo webpage also include a reference to all the free Smalltalk books http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html Anyone able to change the page? Thx T. -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlo

Re: [Pharo-project] Next step in cleaning DataStream

2012-06-04 Thread Marcus Denker
On Jun 4, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Pavel Krivanek > wrote: >> I think it is a good proposal. Then it can be in separate package or as part >> of MC package. > > I would put DataStream and its friends within the monticello package, > and prepend M

[Pharo-project] Pharocasts ... updating and screencasts wanted

2012-06-04 Thread Torsten Bergmann
James Robertson is doing lots of Screencasts on Pharo (and other Smalltalks) in his ST4U series: http://www.jarober.com/blog/st4u.ssp Maybe we can ask him to link them on Pharocasts.com too? Thx T. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Eur

Re: [Pharo-project] Free ST books on the project page

2012-06-04 Thread Marcus Denker
On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Shouldnt the book section > > http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/tutorials-books > > on the Pharo webpage also include a reference to all > the free Smalltalk books > > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html > > Anyone abl

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20110

2012-06-04 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > 20110 > - > > Issue 5977:     Rpackage may not handle well method removal in traits >        http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5977 > > Issue 5997:     Classes that implement unsafe equals >        http://code.google.com/