Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

2012-08-03 Thread jannik.laval
On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:17 PM, jannik.laval wrote: Hi, I tried the VM included in Moose (moosetechnology.org). If I remember well, it is a cog vm. The maximal heap size is (precisely): 2138046463 bytes.

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

2012-08-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Not bad :) Doru On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:11 AM, jannik.laval jannik.la...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:17 PM, jannik.laval wrote: Hi, I tried the VM included in Moose (moosetechnology.org). If I

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on retina display

2012-08-03 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 08/01/2012 10:43 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 1 August 2012 21:56, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Like all apps not upgraded for retina, Pharo looks pixelated and fuzzy on the new MBPs. Is there any workaround which at least makes the text less fuzzy? Use freetype :) Doesn't

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: collecting all packages of a configuration

2012-08-03 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Dale Henrichs dhenr...@vmware.com wrote: Mariano, Metacello is written to run on multiple Smalltalk dialects. I cannot just replace SystemChangeNotifier with SystemAnnouncer

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20241

2012-08-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
20241 - Issue 6498: Remove old events in favor of System announcements - Step 1 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6498 Issue 6476: one Monticello package that should not be there http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6476 Issue

[Pharo-project] Smalltalks 2012 invitation and registration

2012-08-03 Thread Andres Valloud
Hello! You're invited to come over to the wonderful Argentine patagonia to participate in Smalltalks 2012. This year we will host the conference at a new venue for us: Puerto Madryn. We're very pleased to see different sections of the Argentine Smalltalk community represented every year.

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20242

2012-08-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
20242 - Issue 6493: Integrate new version of Fuel and remove obsolete packages http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6493 Issue 6497: new ReleaseTest testUnpackagedClasses http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6497 Issue 6502:

Re: [Pharo-project] RE : [Preview] The Alternative Browser

2012-08-03 Thread Douglas Brebner
On 02/08/2012 22:39, GOUBIER Thierry wrote: Thanks. For editing more than one method, you would need to open multiple browsers (as usual). They all share the same abstract tree, so any change in organisation done in one browser is seen by the others. Have you seen Doug Ways Whisker

Re: [Pharo-project] RE : [Preview] The Alternative Browser

2012-08-03 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 03/08/2012 14:14, Douglas Brebner a écrit : On 02/08/2012 22:39, GOUBIER Thierry wrote: Thanks. For editing more than one method, you would need to open multiple browsers (as usual). They all share the same abstract tree, so any change in organisation done in one browser is seen by the

Re: [Pharo-project] Differential and Integral calculus in Pharo?

2012-08-03 Thread S Krish
Yes, I remember my love for Kirchoff's circuit laws years back..!!.. Electronics: A matrix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(mathematics) version of Kirchhoff's current law is the basis of most circuit simulation softwarehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_circuit_simulation, such as

[Pharo-project] RE : [Preview] The Alternative Browser

2012-08-03 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Have you seen Doug Ways Whisker browser? Yeah! Whisker's stacking idea was cool and it was really nice alternative to traditional Smalltalk browsers. I'm sure you can get it to run in an older Squeak image to see it in action. Also note the Star Browser from the old Squeak days (TM) which was

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

2012-08-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
so this means that the comment of Fabrizio about the limit of 500 mb was only for windows. Stef Not bad :) Doru On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:11 AM, jannik.laval jannik.la...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: On Aug 2,

Re: [Pharo-project] RE : [Preview] The Alternative Browser

2012-08-03 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 03/08/2012 16:20, Torsten Bergmann a écrit : Have you seen Doug Ways Whisker browser? Yeah! Whisker's stacking idea was cool and it was really nice alternative to traditional Smalltalk browsers. I'm sure you can get it to run in an older Squeak image to see it in action. The screenshots

[Pharo-project] Jenkins down

2012-08-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
I updated Jenkins to 1.475 in hopes of nailing the trigger problem and it is currently down. Please give it a while to restart and let me know if there are any problems when it does (we can roll back if necessary)... Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-project] Jenkins down

2012-08-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Sean P. DeNigris wrote let me know if there are any problems... (we can roll back if necessary)... Thanks to Christophe, it's up and running again... and (fingers crossed) it looks like the triggers may be working finally! Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-project] Differential and Integral calculus in Pharo?

2012-08-03 Thread Dale Henrichs
Krish, Haha, funny that you mention that ... I wrote that software, called ADS (for Analog IC Design System), while working at Tektronix. That was the project that I cut my Smalltalk teeth on:) I started the project using the Tek 4404 in 1985. When Tektronix got out of the Smalltalk

Re: [Pharo-project] Differential and Integral calculus in Pharo?

2012-08-03 Thread Clara Allende
:) Eventually I would like to get my hands on circuits in smalltalk, but so far I'm much more interested in Magnetism (Faraday-Lenz, Ampère... I would like to have those in my little program. We'll see) On 3 August 2012 09:55, S Krish krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I remember my

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20243

2012-08-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
20243 - Issue 6515: SystemChangeNotifier - cleanup step 2 - Remove old events in favor of System announcements http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6515

[Pharo-project] Completion

2012-08-03 Thread Camillo Bruni
I don't particularly like the current completion mechanism in pharo: - the OCompletion (or what it is called) only displays a limited number of selectors - the second completion (which is complete!) using CMD-Q is in many cases more helpful Could we combine these two? Simply concatenate the

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20244

2012-08-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
20244 - Issue 6516: SystemChangeNotifier - cleanup Step 3 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6516

Re: [Pharo-project] Completion

2012-08-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
please go :) NEController and NOController would be the place On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't particularly like the current completion mechanism in pharo: - the OCompletion (or what it is called) only displays a limited number of selectors

Re: [Pharo-project] RE : [Preview] The Alternative Browser

2012-08-03 Thread Edgar De Cleene
And you hace Tamaris ... Enviado desde mi iPhone El 03/08/2012, a las 11:20, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de escribió: Have you seen Doug Ways Whisker browser? Yeah! Whisker's stacking idea was cool and it was really nice alternative to traditional Smalltalk browsers. I'm sure you can

[Pharo-project] RE : RE : [Preview] The Alternative Browser

2012-08-03 Thread GOUBIER Thierry
Do you mean Alain Plantec's Tamaris as in ? http://bioskop.fr/tamaris.pdf Thierry De : pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] de la part de Edgar De Cleene [edgardec2...@gmail.com] Date d'envoi :

Re: [Pharo-project] Opposite of raisedToInteger: or raisedTo:

2012-08-03 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Deepi wrote yes . I am using pharo 2.1 and there no nthRoot: in it. Are you sure you're using Pharo 2.1? Because there is no such version (yet). In Pharo 2.0 there is a #nthRoot: method. I don't know what will happen with in the v2.1, but I'm pretty sure it will remain there. Regards, --

Re: [Pharo-project] Completion

2012-08-03 Thread Tudor Girba
When using OCompletion, if you scroll to the bottom of the list (with keydown), you should get the ECompletion list. Cheers, Doru On 3 Aug 2012, at 18:42, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: please go :) NEController and NOController would be the place On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Camillo Bruni

Re: [Pharo-project] Completion

2012-08-03 Thread Camillo Bruni
yep we just figured that out... so now we will only have one list which displays all the matches. the first 6 are by priority, the rest sorted alphabetically. this will hopefully be much more productive On 2012-08-03, at 21:54, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: When using OCompletion, if

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

2012-08-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Yes, for Windows, 500MB is a rather hard limit with Cog. I bump into it all the time :(. But, I think the experiment of Jannik was done with the special 64-bit VM. Jannik, am I right? Cheers, Doru On 3 Aug 2012, at 15:00, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: so this means that the comment of Fabrizio

Re: [Pharo-project] Completion

2012-08-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Please keep in mind that the reason for showing only the OCompletion list at first was speed. If you are using both at the same time, you might get a performance penalty. Cheers, Doru On 3 Aug 2012, at 21:55, Camillo Bruni wrote: yep we just figured that out... so now we will only have one

Re: [Pharo-project] Completion

2012-08-03 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2012-08-03, at 22:12, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Please keep in mind that the reason for showing only the OCompletion list at first was speed. If you are using both at the same time, you might get a performance penalty. so far it works reasonably fast. and looking at the

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

2012-08-03 Thread jannik.laval
No, no, The experiment was made with the VM included in the one-click Moose, in a MacOs X 10.8. For now, I do not succeed to use the 64bit VM and build a usable 64bit image. Jannik On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Yes, for Windows, 500MB is a rather hard

[Pharo-project] NOC meets NEC and good energy happens!

2012-08-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6519 I really love seeing that happens. Thanks camillo! I like that because I spent time cleaning OCompletion to avoid duplication and being able to load it with ECompletion, Esteban did a pass and made my work working and now you give the final

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

2012-08-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes, for Windows, 500MB is a rather hard limit with Cog. I bump into it all the time :(. I imagine well, believe me and I'm a bit sad about all the story around VMs. I see all the infrastructure that igor built and there is not much cooperation around it even if esteban happily uses it and

[Pharo-project] about mirroring

2012-08-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys I would like to raise this issue while this is calm and that the servers are working. What do we do to replicate our servers: ss3 and smalltalkHub I asked nicolas and christophe to check because the original plan (I still like it) is to host SmalltalkHub servers on INRIA

[Pharo-project] What is the plan with Pharo changes?

2012-08-03 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi guys. PLEASE: I DON'T WANT TO START A WAR. I am just concerned about Pharo and it's future. I am totally in favor of making progress even if it breaks compatibility. I am all in favor of having to spend time and effort in updating projects to use latest Pharo changes. Today I faced a couple of

Re: [Pharo-project] about mirroring

2012-08-03 Thread p...@highoctane.be
I discussed with a quite large company and there is a definite possibility to have space there as well. I am back to business soon and will come with solid proposals. (on holidays now) 2012/8/3 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr Hi guys I would like to raise this issue while this is

[Pharo-project] using color tables with forms and bitblt?

2012-08-03 Thread Lawson English
OK, I'm such a noob here, that I'm not quite sure how to ask my question... I have a dwell file -an array of values generated by a Mandelbrot Set application, one per pixel, with arbitrary values between 1 and xxx (currently less than 2 billion, and right now far less than

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] What is the plan with Pharo changes?

2012-08-03 Thread Dale Henrichs
Mariano, What I'd _like_ to do for Metacello and Pharo-2.0 is to make the changes against the MetacelloPreview release, which I'm managing on github. The MetacelloPreview is aimed at an eventual 1.0 release of Metacello (hopefully in the fall). I would _like_ Metacello-Base to be included in

[Pharo-project] 'self halt' safety net

2012-08-03 Thread Ben Coman
As probably many newbies do from time to time, I am learning the system splattering 'self halt' around, and once again slipped one into the wrong place where I should have used 'haltOnce' and had a massive number of pre-debugger windows come up. I managed to get it back this time with the

Re: [Pharo-project] 'self halt' safety net

2012-08-03 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 4 August 2012 04:11, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: As probably many newbies do from time to time, I am learning the system splattering 'self halt' around, and once again slipped one into the wrong place where I should have used 'haltOnce' and had a massive number of pre-debugger

Re: [Pharo-project] [Seaside] Re: [Metacello] What is the plan with Pharo changes?

2012-08-03 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 4 August 2012 02:16, Dale Henrichs dhenr...@vmware.com wrote: Mariano, What I'd _like_ to do for Metacello and Pharo-2.0 is to make the changes against the MetacelloPreview release, which I'm managing on github. The MetacelloPreview is aimed at an eventual 1.0 release of Metacello

Re: [Pharo-project] Completion

2012-08-03 Thread Igor Stasenko
The main issue as to me is not the logic how ocompletion works (i find it pretty ok btw), but paramount of mess in event handling. I don't mind having multiple kinds/styles of autocompletion in system (so users can choose to their taste).. but what i don't understand is why we need different

Re: [Pharo-project] [Seaside] Re: [Metacello] What is the plan with Pharo changes?

2012-08-03 Thread Dale Henrichs
- Original Message - | From: Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com | To: Seaside - general discussion seas...@lists.squeakfoundation.org | Cc: metace...@googlegroups.com, Pharo Development pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 9:52:18 PM | Subject: Re: [Seaside]