Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-07 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
would be interesting to give a try. Now I'm concerned by our resources. Stef On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Reinout Heeck wrote: >> Load (more precisely: use -- we might not be able to load it) a / >> specific/ version of the Squeak tool, and

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-07 Thread Damien Cassou
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Reinout Heeck wrote: > Load (more precisely: use -- we might not be able to load it) a / > specific/ version of the Squeak tool, and then apply a separate (Pharo- > maintained) set of patches to make it Pharo compliant. > Define a process to specify how bug fixes ar

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
>> > > No, quite the opposite: > > The Pharo maintainers maintain the Pharo compliance patches for every > tool we import, the tool developer should not be bothered with these > -- should not even see them. I agree but it means that other pharoers should stand up and sign for that because I'm fu

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-06 Thread Reinout Heeck
>> >> I think we should consider cribbing from the model that Linux distros >> use: >> >> Load (more precisely: use -- we might not be able to load it) a / >> specific/ version of the Squeak tool, and then apply a separate >> (Pharo- >> maintained) set of patches to make it Pharo compliant. > > bu

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-06 Thread Reinout Heeck
On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:49 AM, David Röthlisberger wrote: > > You can get the fix by executing 'ScriptLoader loadOBAlpha' in a > workspace. > Yo, thanks -- I'll start all this studying this week ;-) R - ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
may be the future is that a small company offers pharo support. But it will depend on you :) Stef > Hi Reinout, > > Just to say - I'm in pretty similar position as you, trying to use > Squeak and friends for my commercial work (which is still on > VisualWorks > for now), that's why I really lik

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-06 Thread Janko Mivšek
Hi Reinout, Just to say - I'm in pretty similar position as you, trying to use Squeak and friends for my commercial work (which is still on VisualWorks for now), that's why I really like the progress Pharoers did so far and I'm supporting them as much as I can. Which does not mean I stopped suppo

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> >> the update is only working for the core because OB is not part of >> pharo but an add-on. >> And the add-on are not managed by the pharo stream of changes but by >> an update of >> the projects in the pharo Universe (yes this is complex but we do not >> want that people can >> say that we are

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-06 Thread David Röthlisberger
Hi Reinout > What is the status of the dev-image? As delivered the tools are broken > (because context menus on the source pane raise an UHE that is induced > by OB-Enhancements, issue 904), is it actively used by the main > committers or is the core image the place to be? > Even more confus

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-05 Thread Reinout Heeck
Hi Stef! Thanks for the in-depth answers, some remarks/further questions: > the update is only working for the core because OB is not part of > pharo but an add-on. > And the add-on are not managed by the pharo stream of changes but by > an update of > the projects in the pharo Universe (yes thi

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-05 Thread Reinout Heeck
> Please note that Pharo is not even yet in beta, so some of the snags > you mention will no doubt get fixed as the feature list finalizes. > As an open source project, there will be a certain amount of bias > toward what is important to the heavy contributors. I hope those > will includ

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
> > > > The process of updating the dev image is excruciatingly slow, is this > > normal? > Yes, this proccess is slow. However, I noticed sometimes is VERY low. Are you using Nod32? If you do, please exclude the directory where squeak is and you will see the difference :) This is because .chang

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi reinout > Please bear in mind that I'm a newbie to Squeak, so some of these > questions may be rather naive. We welcome newbie like you :) > One of my motivations is to evaluate the future viability of Pharo as > a vehicle for commercial applications and whether it warrants to lobby > for re

Re: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
ut it. Bill -Original Message- From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Reinout Heeck Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:36 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo develo

[Pharo-project] Loads of Pharo development process questions

2009-07-05 Thread Reinout Heeck
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how the Pharo development/ maintenance process is supposed to work. Most of these seem to be missing info on the wiki which merely need fleshing out there, I would update the wiki pages myself if only I knew what to write... Please bear in mind that