Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

2016-08-23 Thread stepharo
<> Only if you think deployment means shipping your entire development environment to users and telling them to get on with it. Pharo is absolutely the worst language for deployment in the world. This is why, after all these years, there have only ever been three desktop applications written i

Re: [Pharo-users] Google building new OS with Dart

2016-08-23 Thread askoh
Kilon: Thanks for your input. That is indeed brainstorming. I know the importance of doing too. But the value of brainstorming is big. A farmer does a lot of work but is not valued much. Watson and Crick brainstormed a lot and discovered the double helix. I don't want Smalltalk to miss that power.

Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

2016-08-23 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
2016-08-23 16:26 GMT-03:00 kmo : > <> > > Only if you think deployment means shipping your entire development > environment to users and telling them to get on with it. > > Pharo is absolutely the worst language for deployment in the world. This is > why, after all these years, there have only eve

Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

2016-08-23 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Correction: Actually I was wrong, you dont even need to delete shortcuts to make the IDE completely inaccessible to user. The moment you create the morph that covers the Pharo window, that morph can also receive all events which means no Pharo shortcuts will be able to trigger unless of course you

Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

2016-08-23 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
"Only if you think deployment means shipping your entire development environment to users and telling them to get on with it." No Including the Pharo enviroment is a great idea because it makes remote debugging a possibility. Pharo has tools to connect to another running image and control its exe

Re: [Pharo-users] Keyboard work flow?

2016-08-23 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
That's the spirit indeed , as a Pharo dev you basically design or improve your development tools. I did not imply that we prefer using only the mouse, obviously if that was true we would not have shortcuts. If memory serves correctly Pharo already offers 217 shortcuts which is a good start (accordi

Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

2016-08-23 Thread kmo
<> Only if you think deployment means shipping your entire development environment to users and telling them to get on with it. Pharo is absolutely the worst language for deployment in the world. This is why, after all these years, there have only ever been three desktop applications written in i

Re: [Pharo-users] Keyboard work flow?

2016-08-23 Thread Erik Peldan
Agreed, a mouse is simpler. But a keyboard is faster and (more importantly) ergonomic. I am a bit surprised that you say probably most Pharo devs prefer using the mouse, Dimitris. Being new to Smalltalk, my impression was that the openness of the environment lends itself very well to customization

Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

2016-08-23 Thread Travis Ayres
I don't want to present a whole application environment to the user, I want to disable everything not having to do with the task at hand. Also, it gives people with more limited bandwidth connections the options of downloading the entire thing, or a highly stripped version that is much smaller. It

Re: [Pharo-users] Keyboard work flow?

2016-08-23 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
The problem is not so much that Pharo has not shortcuts for everything, or that shortcuts are tricky to make or modify. The problem is that Pharo is a very complex environment, more complex than emacs and vim. It's very easy to create messy shortcut setups like emacs and vim. Saying that yes sure

Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

2016-08-23 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Pharo has the easiest deployment in any language I have used. It's just a single folder. It does not get any simpler way than that. You can also customize the name of the executable, the icon, the folder and the image itself. There is no need to install Pharo or your Pharo application. So what you

Re: [Pharo-users] Google building new OS with Dart

2016-08-23 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
An area that generally interests me is making languages cooperate. When I started with the idea of Pharo using Python libraries, I thought it would take me months to have something usable. Instead it took me weeks mainly because I found that a very simple solution could provide me with a working p

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec > TreeModel: Updating the tree selection after a deletion

2016-08-23 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Nicolai, About the rebuilding of the subwidgets, I really don't know. Maybe if I can force the highlighting I can't ignore the rebuilding issue in some way, so that's what I'm trying now and seems I'm closer. Do you know how to make a TreeNodeModel to show itself expanded? I tried with '#i

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 5 and image resizing

2016-08-23 Thread Nicolas Passerini
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:04 AM, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > I've a concern with the image resizing in Pharo 5, as when I'll be loading > several (tons of) packages, MCZs will be piling up and if clearing that > cache isn't going to reduce the size of the image, I am not really keen on > draggin