Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-29 Thread gettimothy via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- Hi I concur on the documentation problem. I concur that there is plenty of documentation, but finding it is a chore. I have two side projects I have started. Doc at http://www.squeaksource.com/@FICALqrUmxQTIHgr/ul4_-exCAnd SeasideDoc (which I started before Doc)  

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-29 Thread Tomaž Turk
Dear all, This thread is a bit old, but anyways: here are my two cents on the question 'What are reasons not to use Smalltalk'. Thanks, Horrido, to constantly promote these kind of discussions. I think that your polls are mixing very different reasons - for instance, we choose development

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-25 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Ummm... this is another poll that doesn't render well on Brave or Firefox. I can't even see the options. I wonder if there is not any more estandar cross-browser way of conducting these polls. Cheers, Offray On 19/06/20 11:31 a. m., Richard Kenneth Eng wrote: >

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-21 Thread Vitor Medina Cruz
+1 On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:09 PM Todd Blanchard via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Same. My biggest hesitation is lack of cloud deployment support. At > least for web apps. > > For desktop apps, I have been holding off building any UI because of the > brik blok spec

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
A little point in the discussion. If you do not contribute then there is less chance that the situation will improve. Look at Sven, he is running a business for real. Still he develops and documents and shares with all of you Zinc Neo suite Chapter and script on

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread horrido
I decided to add a new option: "None of the above (add a comment for a new answer)." Hopefully, this fixes the issue. Richard Sargent wrote > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM horrido > horrido.hobbies@ > wrote: > >> I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you tried to submit "Vote" >>

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread horrido
That's a limitation of the WordPress poll. It doesn't really allow you to add additional answers. However, what you can do is go to "View Results", click on "Comments" at the bottom of the poll widget, and add a comment, which can include a new answer. It's not ideal, but that's all Wordpress

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Russ Whaley
Agreed. My biggest issues are non-multiplatform - development and deployment (specifically iOS/mobile support -in a single downloadable IDE). And while I love Pharo, and all the brilliant people who work very hard to make it the best Smalltalk environment available... I shouldn’t have to struggle

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Todd Blanchard via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- HTML+CSS+JQuery has been stable for a long time. That's pretty much what I use (plus the odd jquery widget like date picker). Not keen on writing code I know will be obsolete next year was my primary point. > On Jun 19, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Aliaksei Syrel wrote: > >

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Todd Blanchard via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- It isn't plug and play. For instance, I can pick PHP on an AWS elastic beanstalk menu, set up a couple shell scripts, and deploy PHP with 'eb deploy' out of my local git repo. Easy. It is possible to deploy the stuff but to build infrastructure and deployment scripts for

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Esteban Maringolo
In my case it didn't let me vote at all, it assumed I already voted. I started a private tab, disabled tracking (it tracks a lot for a single post), and then saw the options, and there wasn't a "none of the above/other" kind of option. So I didn't vote. Esteban A. Maringolo On Fri, Jun 19, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Todd, > On 19 Jun 2020, at 19:04, Todd Blanchard via Pharo-users > wrote: > > > From: Todd Blanchard > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk? > Date: 19 June 2020 at 19:04:37 CEST > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > >

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Aliaksei Syrel
> > For desktop apps, I have been holding off building any UI because of the > brik blok spec spec2 churn. Imagine trying to build any UI in javascript with their wide family of frameworks ;) On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 20:40, Todd Blanchard via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: >

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Richard Sargent
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM horrido wrote: > I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you tried to submit "Vote" > without > checking off any of the boxes? > Yes, that is what I am saying. None of those are reasons to NOT use Smalltalk, in my opinion. > You can always add comment to the

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread horrido
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you tried to submit "Vote" without checking off any of the boxes? You can always add comment to the post. Richard Sargent wrote > It wouldn't let me vote without choosing an answer, none of which were my > answer. > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:32 AM

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Todd Blanchard via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- Same. My biggest hesitation is lack of cloud deployment support. At least for web apps. For desktop apps, I have been holding off building any UI because of the brik blok spec spec2 churn. > On Jun 19, 2020, at 10:02 AM, Richard Sargent > wrote: > > It wouldn't let

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Richard Sargent
It wouldn't let me vote without choosing an answer, none of which were my answer. On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:32 AM Richard Kenneth Eng < horrido.hobb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > https://smalltalk.tech.blog/2020/06/19/what-are-reasons-not-to-use-smalltalk/ > > > Thanks for participating in the poll.

[Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

2020-06-19 Thread Richard Kenneth Eng
https://smalltalk.tech.blog/2020/06/19/what-are-reasons-not-to-use-smalltalk/ Thanks for participating in the poll.