Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-10 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 10 July 2013 00:07, Usman Bhatti usman.bha...@gmail.com wrote: Tx igor. Now I am waiting to get hold of the new VM (with this parameter) to test on Windows. yes, i am building it right now on my machine to test if it works, and jenkins refuses to build it (but for other reasons, which we

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-10 Thread Tudor Girba
Wow! This is really exciting. Thanks a lot, Igor. I value this help even more knowing how you feel about the modification. Or maybe you changed your mind in the meantime? :) Cheers, Doru On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 July 2013 00:07, Usman

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-09 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 8 July 2013 22:43, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, Igor, please get this point of view out of your system :). First, not all programming languages are like this: You can easily run other VMs (e.g., Java) with more than 3 GB. But, let's not even go there: I can run Pharo

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-09 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
First, not all programming languages are like this: You can easily run other VMs (e.g., Java) with more than 3 GB. But, let's not even go there: I can run Pharo with 1Gb on Mac without problems. According to your reasoning we might end up downgrading the Mac VM. Some data does not fit in

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 July 2013 09:13, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 July 2013 22:43, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, Igor, please get

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-09 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes, i wish we can be there today. (And one day people will learn a difference between actual memory used and reserved address space :) Igor this is not that we are not aware that Moose should be implemented differently but it is not simple. - the first design in 1998 was with a

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-09 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
+1 and we are not users. We are programmers :) Stef I disagree. I think it is good if the VM is able to adapt so in the case where no switch is used the VM does its best to adapt to the requirements. But there are _always_ use cases where you need to fine-tune. If you have an application

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-09 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ouch this is why we will have to think hard on our next priorities. Stef On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, problem is even worst. I wanted to watch how the GC behaves over 500m of memory occupied. I though on a test that would create/destroy

[Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-08 Thread Usman Bhatti
[I know there were some discussions on the topic and the topic of 64-bit VM but I'm not sure where we stand today]. I would like to know if we can allocate more than 500MB for pharo virtual machine in Windows? I am getting an Out Of memory msg and the following VM statistics when trying to parse a

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-08 Thread CHRIS BAILEY
@lists.pharo.org Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013, 12:05 Subject: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows [I know there were some discussions on the topic and the topic of 64-bit VM but I'm not sure where we stand today].I would like to know if we can allocate more than 500MB for pharo virtual machine

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-08 Thread Usman Bhatti
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Hi Usman, On 08 Jul 2013, at 13:05, Usman Bhatti usman.bha...@gmail.com wrote: [I know there were some discussions on the topic and the topic of 64-bit VM but I'm not sure where we stand today]. I would like to

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
pharo is welcome pharo-users@lists.pharo.org *Sent:* Monday, 8 July 2013, 12:05 *Subject:* [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows [I know there were some discussions on the topic and the topic of 64-bit VM but I'm not sure where we stand today]. I would like to know if we can allocate more than

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
Same question again. And same answer (i have no other yet). Why just don't use disk memory? I know it is extra effort, but that's what all software does, when it has to deal with big amounts of data. Why in smalltalk it should be different? Of course, on your place, i would also prefer that

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-08 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Igor, please get this point of view out of your system :). First, not all programming languages are like this: You can easily run other VMs (e.g., Java) with more than 3 GB. But, let's not even go there: I can run Pharo with 1Gb on Mac without problems. According to your reasoning we might

Re: [Pharo-users] More than 500MB for windows

2013-07-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
I am with Doru here. Today, 500MB is NOTHINGG. NOTHING. NOTHING. A LATOP comes with 8GB. 16x more than the max the VM can allocate. For one of my clients, I have just set up a server with 32GB. It has 64x than the max a Pharo VM can allocate. Really? Going to disk is not always a