Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
Michael,
Don't let this kind of stuff let you down. You got a very cold shower as
your intro to the opensource community, but this isn't the way it's always
like. You were exposed to some of the drawbacks i
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
Michael,
Don't let this kind of stuff let you down. You got a very cold shower as
your intro to the opensource community, but this isn't the way it's always
like. You were exposed to some of t
l night and code great new ideas all night and
>give it to this great community
>
>Note: American sarcasm and irony
>
>-Michael
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> * Michael Glazer wrote:
> > I feel I want to y
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> On Saturday, July 21, 2001, at 06:43 PM, Michael Glazer wrote:
> > Hi
> > I was guessing that was the reason when you first said the
> > Ja
* Michael Glazer wrote:
> I feel I want to yell and scream out, "who does he think he is?"
Michael, _you_ want to "sell" something to the php.net folks.
Why should anybody of them fall to their knees and praise you
for your idea/suggestion? If I look up this e-mail conversation,
I only see somebo
On Saturday, July 21, 2001, at 06:43 PM, Michael Glazer wrote:
> Hi
> I was guessing that was the reason when you first said the
> JavaScript link.
> Why would I test it with Netscape? I wouldn't. Waste of time to
> be honest.
> The president of Netscape told me that their Netscape browser
> d
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From: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> > XPC is a proprietary product that I was hoping to open into the PHP
"Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> > XPC is a proprietary product that I was hoping to open into the PHP
> &g
> XPC is a proprietary product that I was hoping to open into the PHP
> developers community.
Open in what sense? Your site seems pretty clear on this:
http://www.4arrow.com/accounts/xpc/home.xpc says:
"To purchase an XPC license, receive customized installation, or to become
invloved with XPC
I would do it.
Michael
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From: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> > If you have a specific a
> If you have a specific and honest question for me feel free to ask me
> instead of assuming and denigrating me.
It was not an attempt to do that.
Ok, questions.
Where do I download XPC?
Where do I download the documentation for XPC?
Is XPC a proprietary product from 4arrow.com?
These were
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> > I don't want to convince anyone :) I have no personal interest in this.
I
> >
> I don't want to convince anyone :) I have no personal interest in this. I
> just thought it was odd that I wake up and whilst reading my EMails the
> issue was settled already w/o anyone responding.
It seemed like an obvious one. The demo URL he gave didn't work. When I
dug up a browser it wo
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> At 10:10 PM 7/21/2001 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > > I actually think he has a point that we should strive to create one
good
> > >
At 10:31 PM 7/21/2001 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > I don't think we need to say "no" before the PEAR guys take a look at it
> > and maybe discuss it in more detail with the author. I just didn't
> > understand the rush of you saying "no" without waiting for others to
> > respond and discussing
> I don't think we need to say "no" before the PEAR guys take a look at it
> and maybe discuss it in more detail with the author. I just didn't
> understand the rush of you saying "no" without waiting for others to
> respond and discussing it in more details. We might come to the conclusion
> that
At 10:10 PM 7/21/2001 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > I actually think he has a point that we should strive to create one good
> > framework for PHP. This is very much like PEAR trying to give people good
> > framework/class solutions.
>
>If you had read my message you would have seen that I sugg
> I actually think he has a point that we should strive to create one good
> framework for PHP. This is very much like PEAR trying to give people good
> framework/class solutions.
If you had read my message you would have seen that I suggested it may fit
within PEAR. He was asking for cmf.php.ne
At 07:36 PM 7/21/2001 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > I wan to thank you for making your quick decision.
>
>Well, there is no point wasting your time. If we were going to push a
>single content management framework as the standard PHP framework which in
>itself it quite unlikely, then we would p
> I wan to thank you for making your quick decision.
Well, there is no point wasting your time. If we were going to push a
single content management framework as the standard PHP framework which in
itself it quite unlikely, then we would pick one of the established ones
written by people with a
e.
Thanks again
Michael
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From: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> > Developmen
> Development is usually a forward approach, called innovation. To innovate is
> to extend beyond.
>
> If I was to look behind I wouldn't move forward as quickly. The rate of
> innovation is only as quick as those who make it happen.
>
> Anyhow, I don't code backwards only forward. Non complaint b
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From: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> > Having large numbers of disjointed CMF projects does not impr
> Having large numbers of disjointed CMF projects does not impress me. If
> anything it frustrates me as a developer interested in building PHP
> applications. That is exactly why I built XPC.
Well, your system isn't exactly impresive either as it doesn't work with
Netscape (didn't you test it?)
From: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
> > Is my grammar the problem or the email format (it is set to plain text
with
> > Western
Could you please format your message to something that is readable and
explain what exactly cmf.php.net would provide?
-Rasmus
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Michael Glazer wrote:
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> From: "Jim Winstead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent
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From: "Jim Winstead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: PHP XMF
> you should take this up on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
>
> jim
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 04:00:44AM -0400, Michae
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