RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> -Original Message- > From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:20 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3 > > > At 10:22 19/08/20

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 10:22 19/08/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > At 10:15 19/08/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I would actually like to do that once, if you don't mind :) > > > > > >I don't mind at all... but what is the reason for this? :) > > > > Well, first

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: > At 10:15 19/08/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I would actually like to do that once, if you don't mind :) > > > >I don't mind at all... but what is the reason for this? :) > > Well, first it's been a while since I did, but I'd also like to see it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 10:15 19/08/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I would actually like to do that once, if you don't mind :) > >I don't mind at all... but what is the reason for this? :) Well, first it's been a while since I did, but I'd also like to see it working in the 'new way' once, with the automated QA.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: > At 10:12 19/08/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I'd like to hear Stig's opinion on 4.3.0 first, and I tend to agree that > >we need a 4.2.3 too. I can even find time to do the release process and > >manage QA, providing there is any feedback to the RC.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 10:12 19/08/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I'd like to hear Stig's opinion on 4.3.0 first, and I tend to agree that >we need a 4.2.3 too. I can even find time to do the release process and >manage QA, providing there is any feedback to the RC. I would actually like to do that once, if you don

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Edin Kadribasic wrote: > Exactly right. During the last release cycle, Derick made elaborate test > cases, etc. but the result was not very promising. Very few people actually > took part in the QA process and as a result 4.2.0 was released with some > serious bugs in it. >

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 22:21 18-8-2002, Edin Kadribasic wrote: > > >As long as there is momentum on the development process and on the QA > > >process when needed, > > >I don't think release momentum matters that much. > > > > Right. Since the first part of the sentence does not stand in reality, >the > > direct r

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> From: Melvyn Sopacua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > At 18:19 17-8-2002, Liz wrote: > > > > there should be 'fixed in the next bug-fix release' or 'fixed > > > in the next > > > semi-major release'. > > > >How about > > > >Will be fixed in version major.minor.buildrelease ?? ie tell them which

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

As soon as Dan K signals that the patch-backporting phase is over (should happen by tomorrow or the next day; he's coordinating with other backporters), we'll get started. Zeev At 23:30 18/08/2002, Xavier Spriet wrote: >Okay then... >let's start up the QA process whenever you guys are ready a

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

Okay then... let's start up the QA process whenever you guys are ready and I'll test as much as I can on 2 of our developement machines, one on linux the other one on SPARC 64. I'll start as soon as the process is ignited. Let's get to work and give it some momentum ;) -Origina

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> >As long as there is momentum on the development process and on the QA > >process when needed, > >I don't think release momentum matters that much. > > Right. Since the first part of the sentence does not stand in reality, the > direct result is that momentum matters, a lot :) Lack of momentum

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> Lack of momentum > is the main reason PHP releases are taking several weeks now. It's not > as if people are testing it thoroughly for weeks and weeks... I have a dev box I can test my installation setup on with dev releases of PHP ... where do I sign up? (If needed) -- Dan Hardiker [[EMA

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 22:20 18/08/2002, Xavier Spriet wrote: >As long as there is momentum on the development process and on the QA >process when needed, >I don't think release momentum matters that much. Right. Since the first part of the sentence does not stand in reality, the direct result is that momentum ma

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

As long as there is momentum on the development process and on the QA process when needed, I don't think release momentum matters that much. It is important to keep up with the current development for 4.3.0 and also for future implementation of ze2, which I think probably takes some time.

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 18:19 17-8-2002, Liz wrote: > > there should be 'fixed in the next bug-fix release' or 'fixed > > in the next > > semi-major release'. > >How about > >Will be fixed in version major.minor.buildrelease ?? ie tell them which >version it will be fixed in, no confusion at all then Actually - It's

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: > > I think 4.2.3 makes perfect sense as long as it gets started immediately, > > immediately being sometime within the next few days. > > Is there some event I'm not aware of that a few days matter > to you? If not, I don't see any problem wi

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> -Original Message- > From: Sascha Schumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:19 PM > To: Zeev Suraski > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3 > Well, my primary workstati

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> -Original Message- > From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:06 PM > To: Sascha Schumann > Cc: Xavier Spriet; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3 > > > At 22:58 17/08/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: > >

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 00:18 18/08/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: > I've had at a look at the bug reports Sebastian Nohn pointed > out. None of these are major issues. Annoying, but nothing > which would qualify PHP as being "buggy as hell". Still, > having these fixes in 4.2.3 would be a definitive

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

I agree on every point. It's not "buggy as hell" but it's quite annoying and it puts the developer in a situation where many workarounds have to be made when these bugs are fixed in CVS... -Original Message- From: Sascha Schumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

(sorry Zeev, I sent this reply only to you the first time) Sebastian Nohn is the one that has noticed most of the 64 bits related bugs I was refering to. I am sure he can give you more information of these bugs. It seems it was working fine just a few months ago. I experience some of them

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: > At 22:58 17/08/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: > > > 64-bit fixes (for whatever reason), I think that's quite alright. 64-bit > > > support is a major thing, which people, especially businesses, will not > > > really expect to be implemented in a bug-fix r

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 22:58 17/08/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: > > 64-bit fixes (for whatever reason), I think that's quite alright. 64-bit > > support is a major thing, which people, especially businesses, will not > > really expect to be implemented in a bug-fix release. > > 64-bit support has worked for year

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> 64-bit fixes (for whatever reason), I think that's quite alright. 64-bit > support is a major thing, which people, especially businesses, will not > really expect to be implemented in a bug-fix release. 64-bit support has worked for years in PHP -- it is not new or a 'major thing'. As

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 22:28 17/08/2002, Xavier Spriet wrote: >This is quiteconcerning. >It appears the PHP release process is not suited to the way PHP is >developed anymore >and this can lead in severe inconsistencies. >What seemed to have happened is that several bugfixes were fixed in CVS >instead of the bugfix

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

This is quiteconcerning. It appears the PHP release process is not suited to the way PHP is developed anymore and this can lead in severe inconsistencies. What seemed to have happened is that several bugfixes were fixed in CVS instead of the bugfix release which if fine with me... but the bugs

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

Because we aren't always sure what the next version will be. Witness the 4.0.6-4.0.7/4.1 release process. On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Liz wrote: > > there should be 'fixed in the next bug-fix release' or 'fixed > > in the next > > semi-major release'. > > How about > > Will be fixed in version major

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

Isnt this what a bug/change log is for... If its not in the change log it wasnt put in yet. Just add a small comment at the top. "Not all changes currently in CVS may be in this release due to blah blah blah contraints" On Sat, 2002-08-17 at 11:19, Liz wrote: > > there should be 'fixed in the ne

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

> there should be 'fixed in the next bug-fix release' or 'fixed > in the next > semi-major release'. How about Will be fixed in version major.minor.buildrelease ?? ie tell them which version it will be fixed in, no confusion at all then -- PHP Development Mailing List

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

At 17:52 17/08/2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: >No! This simply confuses users! Someone reported a bug n weeks ago, this bug >"has been fixed in CVS" n-x weeks ago. Now there is a new release an WOW! >this bug is'nt fixed! Fixed in CVS means fixed in CVS and the user expects >this bug to be fixed in t

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] 4.2.3

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Dan Kalowsky wrote: > I disagree that it should go out as is, very strongly at that too. I agree with Dan here. - Sascha -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php