[PHP] regex

2008-01-21 Thread Peter
I am trying to convert ms access sql to postgresql using php. I have a sql statement in the form ;- $sql = SELECT DISTINCT [Table Name].[Column.Name], [Table Name 1].[Column Name 2] etc. what I want to end up with is $sql = SELECT DISTINCT table_name.column_name, table_name_1.column_name_2,

[PHP] performance/load testing ...

2008-01-21 Thread Jochem Maas
hi guys, I need to do some performance testing for a site of mine. I want to compare performance of various combinations of using APC, Squid, Apache/LightHTTPD mod_php/fastcgi. all very well I can build the various setups but I'm stuck as to how to go about recreating realistic load on the

Re: [PHP] performance/load testing ...

2008-01-21 Thread Jochem Maas
Ron Rademaker schreef: Hi Jochem, Apache comes with an nice ab tool which stands for apache benchmarking. You can use this to benchmark stuff like concurrent requests. indeed, I know ab, but it doesn't allow for a very realistic request 'spread' - at least as far as I know. I was hoping for

Re: [PHP] performance/load testing ...

2008-01-21 Thread Paul Scott
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 10:50 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Does anyone have any tips, urls, advice as to how to start going about creating something like a 'test suite' for testing high load performance of a website? I went through a similar headache recently, and looked at a whole whack of

Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

2008-01-21 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 01. 19, szombat keltezéssel 11.12-kor Daniel Brown ezt írta: Aside from that, Zoltan, if you happen to be able to find the function to post without much problem, feel free, and I'll look into incorporating it into the script. Otherwise, I can fix it myself. My fault for not

Re: [PHP] performance/load testing ...

2008-01-21 Thread Ron Rademaker
Jochem Maas wrote: Ron Rademaker schreef: Hi Jochem, Apache comes with an nice ab tool which stands for apache benchmarking. You can use this to benchmark stuff like concurrent requests. indeed, I know ab, but it doesn't allow for a very realistic request 'spread' - at least as far as I

Re: [PHP] regex

2008-01-21 Thread Keith Roberts
Can yo upost the code you have got to do the conversion so far please? Regards Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are

Re: [PHP] performance/load testing ...

2008-01-21 Thread Jochem Maas
Ron Rademaker schreef: Jochem Maas wrote: Ron Rademaker schreef: Hi Jochem, Apache comes with an nice ab tool which stands for apache benchmarking. You can use this to benchmark stuff like concurrent requests. indeed, I know ab, but it doesn't allow for a very realistic request 'spread'

Re: [PHP] regex

2008-01-21 Thread Peter
Well actually not a real lot so far. I'm just trial and error(lots of that) at the moment. I've only been 'playing with php for about a month or so. $file = phptest1.txt; $rep = array (tbl_ , _%, bool default 0, bool default 1, '?'); $wih = array (, _pc, bool DEFAULT FALSE, bool DEFAULT TRUE, );

Re: [PHP] POST/GET into variables

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 20, 2008 10:15 PM, nihilism machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im trying to keep this php4 OOP. im just trying to clean the post/gets and then make them all into variables with their names being the keys to the get/post, and their values as the variables values. ie:

Re: [PHP] POST/GET into variables

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 20, 2008 10:06 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 20, 2008 9:47 PM, nihilism machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how does this look? should this by me calling ... myforms = new forms(); work by turning all key/value pairs for both get and post into variable names of the

Re: [PHP] general time question

2008-01-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Jan 20, 2008 8:36 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now for the juicy bit - you have *no* garantee that the system clock and/or the timezone setting on the client machine is anything like correct. actually the chances that it is not are quite high - disregarding idiots, just think of

Re: [PHP] POST/GET into variables

2008-01-21 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: ... then from client space you would just say InputFilter::filterInput(); then, subsequently you can use $_POST and $_GET directly with the assumption that the input has been escaped. BAD! assuming $_GET/$_POST are sanitized and escaped is always wrong. stick

Fwd: [PHP] change php variable depending on selection

2008-01-21 Thread Nathan Nobbe
-- Forwarded message -- From: Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jan 21, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] change php variable depending on selection To: stp [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 21, 2008 9:42 AM, stp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry…..I've got the conversion of the

[PHP] Resetting drop-downlists in input-fields for texts

2008-01-21 Thread Tor Vidvei
I'm developing a traning page for basic math. The answers are entered by the user in simple text input fields and the same page is returned (after having been processed by php) to the user with indications of correctness or error on each answer. If the AutoComplete feature is turned on a

Re: [PHP] regex

2008-01-21 Thread Keith Roberts
Hi Peter. Is this what you want to do. Copy this into a *.php page, and then look at it with your browser. I just refactored one of my heredoc queries to handle your problem. !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN

Re: [PHP] performance/load testing ...

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 21, 2008 5:50 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Rademaker schreef: Jochem Maas wrote: Ron Rademaker schreef: Hi Jochem, Apache comes with an nice ab tool which stands for apache benchmarking. You can use this to benchmark stuff like concurrent requests. indeed,

Re: [PHP] POST/GET into variables

2008-01-21 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Jan 21, 2008 10:19 AM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think making a single generic function to iterate over every value in the GET/POST arrays is a very good idea. Each field on a form can contain very different pieces of data that should be handed quite differently. I

Re: [PHP] Resetting drop-downlists in input-fields for texts

2008-01-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Jan 21, 2008 10:31 AM, Tor Vidvei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm developing a traning page for basic math. The answers are entered by the user in simple text input fields and the same page is returned (after having been processed by php) to the user with indications of correctness or error

Re: [PHP] Resetting drop-downlists in input-fields for texts

2008-01-21 Thread David Giragosian
On 1/21/08, Tor Vidvei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm developing a traning page for basic math. The answers are entered by the user in simple text input fields and the same page is returned (after having been processed by php) to the user with indications of correctness or error on each

Re: [PHP] Digital Downloads and Scale(solved)

2008-01-21 Thread Daneane
Chris, Jochem, Nathan, Jason, Paul, Thanks for the suggestions and information. This is great, gives me a good place to start. Best, -dg

Re: [PHP] Digital Downloads and Scale(solved)

2008-01-21 Thread Jochem Maas
Daneane schreef: Chris, Jochem, Nathan, Jason, Paul, Thanks for the suggestions and information. This is great, gives me a good place to start. let us know how you get on - chances are you'll learn some tricks other may find handy :-) Best, -dg -- PHP General Mailing List

Re: [PHP] regex

2008-01-21 Thread Jim Lucas
Peter wrote: I am trying to convert ms access sql to postgresql using php. I have a sql statement in the form ;- $sql = SELECT DISTINCT [Table Name].[Column.Name], [Table Name 1].[Column Name 2] etc. what I want to end up with is $sql = SELECT DISTINCT table_name.column_name,

[PHP] a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread blackwater dev
I have a text file that contains 200k rows. These rows are to be imported into our database. The majority of them will already exists while a few are new. Here are a few options I've tried: I've had php cycle through the file row by row and if the row is there, delete it and do a straight

[Fwd: Re: [PHP] POST/GET into variables]

2008-01-21 Thread Jochem Maas
rectified ;-) Originele bericht On Jan 21, 2008 11:51 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah - you'll get used to it, mostly. it happens to everyone that they seem to be getting replies to things they didn't write - I was responding to the OP in this case - adding to

Re: [PHP] Unable to override status code in certain installations..?

2008-01-21 Thread Jochem Maas
RavenWorks schreef: Well, just for the sake of anybody in my situation finding this thread in the future -- the workaround is to use this: Options +FollowSymLinks RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d RewriteRule ^(.+)$

Re: [PHP] a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 21, 2008 12:35 PM, blackwater dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a text file that contains 200k rows. These rows are to be imported into our database. The majority of them will already exists while a few are new. Here are a few options I've tried: I've had php cycle through the

Re: [PHP] a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 12:35 -0500, blackwater dev wrote: I have a text file that contains 200k rows. These rows are to be imported into our database. The majority of them will already exists while a few are new. Here are a few options I've tried: I've had php cycle through the file row

Re: [PHP] a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread blackwater dev
I think that's possible, so I'll give it a shot. For some reason, even with straight inserts my php script is dying around 180,000 rows. Basically, I took out all the compare/update code so now I grab the row from the db and if there isn't one, do an insert. I've wiped my db so should do

Re: [PHP] a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 21, 2008 1:08 PM, blackwater dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that's possible, so I'll give it a shot. For some reason, even with straight inserts my php script is dying around 180,000 rows. Basically, I took out all the compare/update code so now I grab the row from the db and if

Re: [PHP] password hashing and crypt()

2008-01-21 Thread Mike Potter
My apologies Robert, Gmail sucks. I'm bouncing this back to the list, where it belonged in the first place. Feel free to make corrections if I've mischaracterized what you wrote. Good luck with that, btw, but don't expect me to engage. Robert Cummings wrote: And THAT does remind me of my MUD

Re: [PHP] password hashing and crypt()

2008-01-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 14:37 -0500, Mike Potter wrote: You should have said yes and quit while you thought you were ahead. I'm not trying to get ahead... I didn't know I was competing. Are we competing? I thought I was just answering posts. that was me saying that there is certainly a good

[PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Jason Pruim
Today, I found a bug in my software which I was originally happy to find since that means there's one less that I have to worry about... 3 hours later while trying to figure out how to fix it I wish I never found it! Here's the deal, I have a file that exports the records in the database

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 21, 2008 2:57 PM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, I found a bug in my software which I was originally happy to find since that means there's one less that I have to worry about... 3 hours later while trying to figure out how to fix it I wish I never found it! Here's the

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread James Ausmus
On Jan 21, 2008 11:57 AM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, I found a bug in my software which I was originally happy to find since that means there's one less that I have to worry about... 3 hours later while trying to figure out how to fix it I wish I never found it! Here's the

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:04 PM, James Ausmus wrote: On Jan 21, 2008 11:57 AM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, I found a bug in my software which I was originally happy to find since that means there's one less that I have to worry about... 3 hours later while trying to figure out

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Eric Butera wrote: On Jan 21, 2008 2:57 PM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, I found a bug in my software which I was originally happy to find since that means there's one less that I have to worry about... 3 hours later while trying to figure out

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:20 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: I try so hard to NOT rely on the wealth of info available here, but you guys don't make it easy!! :) The only good thing to do with wealth is share. Cheers, Rob. -- ...

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:20 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: I try so hard to NOT rely on the wealth of info available here, but you guys don't make it easy!! :) The only good thing to do with wealth is share. Now you're just trying to add to

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Wolf
Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:20 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: I try so hard to NOT rely on the wealth of info available here, but you guys don't make it easy!! :) The only good thing to do with

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:28 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:20 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: I try so hard to NOT rely on the wealth of info available here, but you guys

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 21, 2008 3:47 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I just need to find a way to increase the content of my posts. Just reply to everyone with random Wikipedia articles. You can even say it is on topic because it is generated with PHP. -- PHP General Mailing List

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Jan 21, 2008 3:52 PM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would that not give favor to people who appear to like to hear them selves talk (Or type in this case since I can not just call a simple txttospeach(Speak this electronic mail so that all may hear the glory that is my voice!);) and

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Wolf wrote: Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:20 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: I try so hard to NOT rely on the wealth of info available here, but you guys don't make it easy!!

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:28 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:20 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote: I try so hard to NOT rely on the wealth of info available here, but you guys don't make it easy!! :) The only good thing

Re: [PHP] More frustration with MySQL and PHP

2008-01-21 Thread Dave Goodchild
Don't be scared of functions, no magic or mystery there, all you are doing is putting your code in a function like so: function add($a, $b) { return $a + $b; } ..for example and calling it like so: $a = 12; $b = 100; $sum = add(12, 13); ...etc etc, not too much more to learn than that and now

Re: [PHP] regex

2008-01-21 Thread Peter Jackson
Jim Lucas wrote: Peter wrote: I am trying to convert ms access sql to postgresql using php. I have a sql statement in the form ;- $sql = SELECT DISTINCT [Table Name].[Column.Name], [Table Name 1].[Column Name 2] etc. what I want to end up with is $sql = SELECT DISTINCT

RE: [PHP] a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread Bastien Koert
what about uploading the entire file into a [semi]temp table..then doing cross table comparisons to load your main table with the data? bastien Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:08:27 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] a better way to do a data import? I

Re: [PHP] avoid server folder reading

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 20, 2008 6:13 AM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your server's default file is index.php, you could use the following in an index.php file: ?php header('Location: /'); ? You really shouldn't use relative paths in a header location.

Re: [PHP] mssql and latin characters

2008-01-21 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 20, 2008 9:53 PM, Leticia Larrosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I have a MSSql 2000 database that have stored data with the follow special characters: ó, í, Ñ, á, é, ú. When I see the data through any MsSql Client I see exactly those characters. The Collation of database is:

[PHP] Upgrade to PHP5 and having issues with mysql

2008-01-21 Thread Tom Ray [Lists]
Hey- I'm trying to install PHP5 with mysql support and I keep running into the same problem over and over again. I run the configuration with this: --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql and without fail I get this every time: ext/mysql/php_mysql.o: In function `zif_mysql_create_db':

Re: [PHP] password hashing and crypt()

2008-01-21 Thread Chris
Nathan Nobbe wrote: hi all, recently ive been debating a bit about the use of the crypt() function and the best practice thereof, im hoping you can help to clarify this for me. so, the crypt function http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.crypt.php has a second parameter, $salt, which, if not

Re: [PHP] a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread Chris
blackwater dev wrote: I have a text file that contains 200k rows. These rows are to be imported into our database. The majority of them will already exists while a few are new. Here are a few options I've tried: I've had php cycle through the file row by row and if the row is there, delete

[PHP] understanding memory allocation

2008-01-21 Thread Chris
Hi all, Does anyone understand the difference between memory_get_usage and memory_get_peak_usage with and without the parameter? I don't understand how the allocations could be so far apart. eg (small script that takes a minute to run): $ php -f file.php Peak usage (true): 4,608.0

Re: [PHP] regex

2008-01-21 Thread Peter Jackson
Jim Lucas wrote: Peter wrote: I am trying to convert ms access sql to postgresql using php. I have a sql statement in the form ;- $sql = SELECT DISTINCT [Table Name].[Column.Name], [Table Name 1].[Column Name 2] etc. what I want to end up with is $sql = SELECT DISTINCT

[PHP] Re: a better way to do a data import?

2008-01-21 Thread Dan
blackwater dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a text file that contains 200k rows. These rows are to be imported into our database. The majority of them will already exists while a few are new. Here are a few options I've tried: I've had php cycle

Re: [PHP] Resetting drop-downlists in input-fields for texts

2008-01-21 Thread Dan
David Giragosian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1/21/08, Tor Vidvei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm developing a traning page for basic math. The answers are entered by the user in simple text input fields and the same page is returned (after having been processed

Re: [PHP] Upgrade to PHP5 and having issues with mysql

2008-01-21 Thread Chris
Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Hey- I'm trying to install PHP5 with mysql support and I keep running into the same problem over and over again. I run the configuration with this: --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql and without fail I get this every time: ext/mysql/php_mysql.o: In function

Re: [PHP] Upgrade to PHP5 and having issues with mysql

2008-01-21 Thread Tom Ray [Lists]
Chris wrote: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Hey- I'm trying to install PHP5 with mysql support and I keep running into the same problem over and over again. I run the configuration with this: --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql and without fail I get this every time: ext/mysql/php_mysql.o: In function

[PHP] Best Approach

2008-01-21 Thread Miguel Guirao
Hello fellow members of this list, There is a couple of rutinary tasks that our servers (different platforms) perform during the night. Early during the day, we have to check that every task was performed correctly and without errors. Actually, we do this by hand, going first to server A (AIX

Re: [PHP] Upgrade to PHP5 and having issues with mysql

2008-01-21 Thread Chris
Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Chris wrote: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Hey- I'm trying to install PHP5 with mysql support and I keep running into the same problem over and over again. I run the configuration with this: --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql and without fail I get this every time:

Re: [PHP] Best Approach

2008-01-21 Thread Chris
Miguel Guirao wrote: Hello fellow members of this list, There is a couple of rutinary tasks that our servers (different platforms) perform during the night. Early during the day, we have to check that every task was performed correctly and without errors. Actually, we do this by hand, going

RE: [PHP] Best Approach

2008-01-21 Thread Bastien Koert
sure, why notyou can exec most of the commands and log all of the results to a file that you can email yourself bastien Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:55:11 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP]

[PHP] scandir() in automount/autofs

2008-01-21 Thread shiplu
I configured autofs in my fedora so that when I plug any usb stick in /dev/sda1 it automatically mounts in /mnt/auto/usb0 There is two lines where the problem arise. $util-run_command(ls -1 /mnt/auto/usb0 | wc -l);// it shows 13 when I plug my usb stick. $list = scandir(/mnt/auto/usb0 ); //

Re: [PHP] Upgrade to PHP5 and having issues with mysql

2008-01-21 Thread Tom Ray [Lists]
Chris wrote: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Chris wrote: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Hey- I'm trying to install PHP5 with mysql support and I keep running into the same problem over and over again. I run the configuration with this: --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql and without fail I get this every time:

Re: [PHP] Upgrade to PHP5 and having issues with mysql

2008-01-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 18:01 -0500, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Hey- I'm trying to install PHP5 with mysql support and I keep running into the same problem over and over again. I run the configuration with this: --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql and without fail I get this every time:

[PHP] forms class

2008-01-21 Thread nihilism machine
Why isnt this cleaning my form $_POST's class forms { var $UserInputClean; // Forms to variables function forms() { if (count($_POST) 0) { foreach($_POST as $curPostKey = $curPostVal) {

Re: [PHP] forms class

2008-01-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 23:15 -0500, nihilism machine wrote: Why isnt this cleaning my form $_POST's class forms { var $UserInputClean; // Forms to variables function forms() { if (count($_POST) 0) { foreach($_POST as

[PHP] form cleaning class

2008-01-21 Thread nihilism machine
now my debug shows that with the following code, all of the $_POST['whatever'] values are blank. class forms { var $UserInput; // Forms to variables function forms() { if (count($_POST) 0) { foreach($_POST as

Re: [PHP] form cleaning class

2008-01-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 23:39 -0500, nihilism machine wrote: now my debug shows that with the following code, all of the $_POST['whatever'] values are blank. class forms { var $UserInput; // Forms to variables function forms() { if

[PHP] Tool for programmer team

2008-01-21 Thread Ronald Wiplinger
What is a good tool to coordinate a team of programmers efficiently? To give each one a different part of the project is a start, but it needs to get combined at some points to be a working project. Not to debug code you have written was a hint, to see actually bugs as a bug and not as a

Re: [PHP] Tool for programmer team

2008-01-21 Thread HostWare Kft.
It depends. If the project built up of slightly different modules, putting the coders on a big, white table seems to be a good idea. But if the modules are completely different, you should separate them, so each of them can be focused on their own subject. In this case, you have to have some