Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-11 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 02. 1, péntek keltezéssel 04.40-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:11 +0100, Zoltán Németh wrote: > > 2008. 01. 31, csütörtök keltezéssel 12.47-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: > > > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > > > Eric Butera schreef: > > > >

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Shawn McKenzie schreef: Glad I read threads that I don't care about or I wouldn't have found out about Firebug! I just installed it, very cool! it can definitely make your day less painful :-) Also, considering the price of oil/gas, I'm sorry that the 'war for oil' didn't work out the way w

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-02 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Vincent schreef: >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, >>> January 31, 2008 8:19 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Cc: PHP General List >>> Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR websi

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 (M$ forcing IE7)

2008-02-02 Thread Richard Heyes
Feb 12th is D-day. "[Microsoft] has posted guidelines on how to ward off the automatic update" Not exactly "forcing" if they've provided an alternative. -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no m

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 (M$ forcing IE7)

2008-02-01 Thread mike
On 2/1/08, Daevid Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Feb 12th is D-day. > > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005- > 28,GGLG:en&q=microsoft+forcing+ie7 Actually... http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/01/microsofts-ie-7.html "The short story is that you w

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 (M$ forcing IE7)

2008-02-01 Thread Daevid Vincent
> -Original Message- > From: Richard Heyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:43 AM > To: Daevid Vincent > Cc: 'PHP General List' > Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 > > Daevid Vincent wrote: > > I will be very s

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Greg Donald
On Jan 31, 2008 7:04 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IE8 passes Acid2. :) They make a salve for that I heard. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Richard Heyes
Daevid Vincent wrote: I will be very sad in 15 days when M$ FORCES everyone to it. WT? -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no maintenance, new features automatic and free -- PHP General Mailin

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:11 +0100, Zoltán Németh wrote: > 2008. 01. 31, csütörtök keltezéssel 12.47-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: > > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > > Eric Butera schreef: > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> R

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 01. 31, csütörtök keltezéssel 12.47-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > Eric Butera schreef: > > > On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Robert Cummings schreef: > > >>> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100,

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread mike
Go to windowsupdate. There was an update for IE6 for websites randomly crashing. I know, because I was affected. Some update broke IE6 and then you had to update a second time. Make sure you're all up to date (and restart, sigh) - and it should be good. On 1/31/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Daevid Vincent schreef: -Original Message- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PHP General List Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. >

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Daevid Vincent
> -Original Message- > From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > IE6 is fast and launches in 1 second. FF takes many seconds. > > Isn't that because IE6 pre-loads everything during the BOOT process, > slowing that down quite a bit?... I guess. I leave my XP box on all the ti

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Lynch
On Thu, January 31, 2008 4:30 pm, Daevid Vincent wrote: > Please stop with the browser wars. They're boring and tired and serve > no > purpose. +1 > IE6 is fast and launches in 1 second. FF takes many seconds. E. Isn't that because IE6 pre-loads everything during the BOOT process, slowing t

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Daevid Vincent
> -Original Message- > From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: PHP General List > Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 > > Richard Heyes schreef: > >> fir

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Lynch
On Thu, January 31, 2008 12:50 pm, Richard Heyes wrote: >> PHP is a server-side page generator. It has NOTHING to do with the >> browser. >> The PHP programmer determines the content of the resulting HTML and >> the >> browser reacts to THAT. Browsers never see a line of PHP script! > > What's yo

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 1:50 PM, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PHP is a server-side page generator. It has NOTHING to do with the browser. > > The PHP programmer determines the content of the resulting HTML and the > > browser reacts to THAT. Browsers never see a line of PHP script! > > Wh

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
PHP is a server-side page generator. It has NOTHING to do with the browser. The PHP programmer determines the content of the resulting HTML and the browser reacts to THAT. Browsers never see a line of PHP script! What's your point? -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowle

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:02 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: ... Would you believe me if I said I wasn't in IT? ;) My wife isn't in IT, but she uses Opera regularly, she likes it's speed and the way it zooms. My 4 year old son loves Opera, but he doesn't know anything else

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:42 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Nathan Nobbe schreef: i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature :> undo? undo what? What you just typed into a form, or

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 19:06 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings schreef: > > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:02 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > ... > > > Would you believe me if I said I wasn't in IT? ;) My wife isn't in IT, > > but she uses Opera regularly, she likes it's speed and the way it z

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Jan 31, 2008 1:03 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Cummings schreef: > > What you just typed into a form, or erased and decide you actually want, > > etc. > > FF does that - at least it does for me, has done for as long as I can > remember. it doesnt let you reclaim lost ta

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 19:03 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings schreef: > > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:42 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > >> Nathan Nobbe schreef: > >>> i like opera for 4 reasons, > >>> 1. it renders fast > >>> 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive > >>> 3. it suppo

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
31, 2008 6:42 AM To: PHP General List Subject: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:42 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > Nathan Nobbe schreef: > > i like opera for 4 reasons, > > 1. it renders fast > > 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive > > 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature :> > > undo? undo what? What you just typed into a form, or erased

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 12:25 -0500, Eric Butera wrote: > On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you didn't state anything of the sort until just then. > > and you do realise that Acid2 is not actually a standard AND that there > > are plenty of differences of opinion r

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > Eric Butera schreef: > > On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Robert Cummings schreef: > >>> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually use

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 12:32 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i like opera for 4 reasons, > 1. it renders fast > 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive > 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature :> > 4. when you close and reopen, all the tabs from before are still there; key > > howev

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:02 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings schreef: > > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > >> let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera > > > > Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around > > and pull

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Nathan Nobbe schreef: i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature :> undo? undo what? 4. when you close and reopen, all the tabs from before are still there; key however, firefox is the champion for we

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Mr Webber
: Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:42 AM To: PHP General List Subject: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Nathan Nobbe
i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature :> 4. when you close and reopen, all the tabs from before are still there; key however, firefox is the champion for web development. not only is firebug awesome, b

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you didn't state anything of the sort until just then. > and you do realise that Acid2 is not actually a standard AND that there > are plenty of differences of opinion regarding the minutae of 'proper > implementation' of some of th

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Richard Heyes schreef: Jochem Maas wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. > or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... that's the kind of thing people say just after they hear they have pr

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached ar

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 11:14 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
Jochem Maas wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. > or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... that's the kind of thing people say just after they hear they have prostrate cancer ;-) Lol

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Cummings schreef: > > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > >> let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera > > > > Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around > >

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled it out of your lightless nether regions. given that you can prove any

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 11:14 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric Butera schreef: > > On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Eric Butera schreef: > >> > >>> On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Heyes schreef: > > Anyo

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled it out of your lightless nether regions. I wouldn't say nobody, but cer

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled it out of your lightless nether regions. Cheers, Rob. -- .-

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. > or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... that's the kind of thing people say just after they hear they have prostrate cancer ;-) seriously though - why i

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an opti

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric Butera schreef: > > > On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Richard Heyes schreef: > >>> Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes > >>> for me. > >> firefox not an opt

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 14:35 +, Richard Heyes wrote: > > firefox not an option? > > Nope. > > > or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) > > Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... I can see your point. If all you know is subpar then subpar works fi

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
firefox not an option? Nope. > or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an option? or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) http://pear.php.net Thanks.

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Heyes schreef: > > Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes > > for me. > > firefox not an option? or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) > > > > > http://pear.php.net > > > > Thank

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an option? or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://ww

[PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no maintenance, new features automatic and free -