On Sun, 2005-07-03 at 03:24, Burhan Khalid wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 23:55, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> >
> > [--SNIPPED--]
> >
> > This isn't a problem for engines that compile to PHP source that has
> > direct hooks into the necessary data structures that will contai
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 23:55, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
I don't think that templates have a dependency between the number of
pages using the template and an increase in the number of functions. In
fact depending on the template, and the template engine
Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
and box of bending straws.
[/snip]
Nice.
LMAO -- and now, back to the show.
For those that really were looking for a xml-based templating enging,
IBM's DW has one that you can download the source to. Its not PHP, but
hey, its a start. Google for 'toot-o-ma
On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 13:02, Skrol29 wrote:
> Mattias Thorslund a écrit :
> > Then I wonder what makes skol29 think PHP's "basic template features"
> > are "too poor" to be used seriously? I think PHP's "basic template
> > features" are phenomenal.
>
> PHP is a nice and powerfull scripting lang
Mattias Thorslund a écrit :
Then I wonder what makes skol29 think PHP's "basic template features"
are "too poor" to be used seriously? I think PHP's "basic template
features" are phenomenal.
PHP is a nice and powerfull scripting langage oriented for Web
developement. Let's look at what's it can
Skrol 29 wrote:
I just can't work with PHP the usual way.
Mixing business source and interface source is something too bastard
for me.
Now that I know templates systems I totaly disagree to say that PHP is a
Template Engine. Ok, it has some basic template features, but they
are too
poor to use i
> You also need to recognize that you are going to need presentation-layer
> logic. You simply can't get around that and you shouldn't confuse
> presentation-level logic, which can be quite complex, with the business
> logic behind your application. I often see people make the mistake of
> trying
On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 23:55, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> > I don't think that templates have a dependency between the number of
> > pages using the template and an increase in the number of functions. In
> > fact depending on the template, and the template engine, you can have
Robert Cummings wrote:
I think a problem here is when you decide to blend two projects that
started out separately. With a templating system (some anyways :) you
can just redefine the main layout for each page being merged into the
larger project in a single centralized location. The approach descr
On 4/29/05, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I find having the output ALWAYS begin after all business
> logic has completed to be a better choice
I agree totally. Most PHP coders I've worked around put PHP in their
HTML. I am the exact opposite. I use PHP to build up my H
On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 21:09, Mattias Thorslund wrote:
> Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> > Mattias Thorslund wrote:
> >
> >> Who says PHP itself is a template engine? I think nobody.
> >
> >
> > I do.
> >
> > It comes down to whether you want the delineation between the template
> > and the business l
* Rasmus Lerdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> My main issue with general-purpose templating systems is that they
> always end up inventing a new language. It may start off as a subset of
> some other language, but eventually it turns into a new language. In
> Smarty, for example, you now have stuff
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Mattias Thorslund wrote:
Who says PHP itself is a template engine? I think nobody.
I do.
It comes down to whether you want the delineation between the template
and the business logic enforced by the system or not. PHP is a
general-purpose templating system that does not
Mattias Thorslund wrote:
Skrol 29 wrote:
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
Clive.
I just can't work with PHP the usual way.
Mixing business source and interface source is something too bastard
for me.
Now that I know templates syste
Jason Barnett wrote:
Mattias Thorslund wrote:
...
Who says PHP itself is a template engine? I think nobody. What are
the "basic template features"?
Variables / placeholders
Looping construct(s)
Conditionals
A way to apply styles to text / markup
So I suppose I'm just confused over what constit
Richard Lynch wrote:
Who says PHP itself is a template engine?
I do.
More importantly, Rasmus does.
What? My li'l brother does PHP? Or you mean him Lerdorf?
Sorry...
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Mattias Thorslund wrote:
...
Who says PHP itself is a template engine? I think nobody. What are the
"basic template features"?
Variables / placeholders
Looping construct(s)
Conditionals
A way to apply styles to text / markup
However, there is a school of thought regarding templates that advocate
> Who says PHP itself is a template engine?
I do.
More importantly, Rasmus does.
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Skrol 29 wrote:
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
Clive.
I just can't work with PHP the usual way.
Mixing business source and interface source is something too bastard
for me.
Now that I know templates systems I totaly disagree to
On 4/29/05, Skrol 29 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be like calling Notepad / VI / TextEdit "Html Editors".
HTML is text.. so any text editor is an HTML editor by default, including vi.
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What templating engines do you use with php and why?
Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
Clive.
I just can't work with PHP the usual way.
Mixing business source and interface source is something too bastard for me.
Now that I know templates systems I totaly disagree to say that PHP is a
T
"Clive Zagno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I dont mind seeing php and html together, but designer generally hate
> it, so I would want to seperate php code from html as much as possible.
if this is your objective than it could be worthwile for you to look at
Templa
On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 13:27, Clive Zagno wrote:
> Wait - doesn't smarty 'compile' the php file and the tpl file into
> another php file. If you look into templates_c directory you find some
> 'compiled' templates.
I didn't say smarty wasn't compiled, only that InterJinn avoids the
cache overhea
* Clive Zagno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Wait - doesn't smarty 'compile' the php file and the tpl file into
> another php file. If you look into templates_c directory you find some
> 'compiled' templates.
Yes, it does. And your question is...?
If it's about performance, the compilation is not an i
Hi clive
I tried all of them and I must admit smarty comes out on top by a mile
I use it on a very busy virtual host and have had NO problems with slow
script etc, highly recommended http://smarty.php.net
pete
Clive Zagno wrote:
Hi all,
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
Ive bee
Wait - doesn't smarty 'compile' the php file and the tpl file into
another php file. If you look into templates_c directory you find some
'compiled' templates.
clive
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 13:20, Ryan A wrote:
On 4/28/2005 7:08:00 PM, Evert | Rooftop Solutions
([EMAIL PROT
Jason Barnett wrote:
Evert | Rooftop Solutions wrote:
Yes, and that's how I read this reply =)
About the subject,
I'm working on a xml-based templating system, which caches all the
steps it does, so it overcomes the slowness =)
And ofcource because I like xml and all the neith things you can do
w
Jason Barnett wrote:
Evert | Rooftop Solutions wrote:
Yes, and that's how I read this reply =)
About the subject,
I'm working on a xml-based templating system, which caches all the
steps it does, so it overcomes the slowness =)
And ofcource because I like xml and all the neith things you can do
w
Hi Ryan,
The XML basics are really simple and can be learned in 15 minutes, so I
suppose you already know this. I personally think www.xml.com has some
good resources, and they don't just keep it with theory and translate
the stuff to practical situations. Also google for stuff like namespaces
>
> Evert | Rooftop Solutions wrote:
> > Yes, and that's how I read this reply =)
> >
> > About the subject,
> >
> > I'm working on a xml-based templating system, which caches all the
> > steps it does, so it overcomes the slowness =) And ofcource
> because I
> > like xml and all the neith th
On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 13:53, Ryan A wrote:
> > > > I would go for a xml-style template engine (start flaming right below
> > > > this thread)
>
>
> > > Flaming??? who has time to start flaming after reading what you wrote?
> > > am busying banging my head against the wall.
>
>
> > To state the
Jay Blanchard wrote:
Note the coding style of the open snip tag, I believe that would be
Jason's
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[/snip]
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/*
I'm working on a xml-based templating system, which caches all the steps
it does, so it overcomes the slowness =)
And ofcource because I like xml and all the neith things you can do with it.
*/
Sounds like you are pretty good with xml... i know very little of XML, do
you
have a link I can read u
[snip]
> [snip]
>
> Jason Barnett wrote:
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>
>
> > Humor is on my "TODO" list.
>
>
>
> Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
>
> [/snip]
>
>
>
> Now, I know that we all love to discuss small dogs from Kansas, but
I've
> too much to do right now.
>
> TYVM!
Hey Jay,
Just wanted to tell
On Thursday 28 April 2005 03:21 pm, Ryan A wrote:
> On 4/28/2005 8:18:28 PM, Andre Dubuc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 April 2005 02:05 pm, John Nichel wrote:
> > > Jason Barnett wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Humor is on my "TODO" list.
> > >
> > > Making a TODO list is on my TO
> [snip]
>
> Jason Barnett wrote:
>
>
>
> > Humor is on my "TODO" list.
>
>
>
> Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
>
> [/snip]
>
>
>
> Now, I know that we all love to discuss small dogs from Kansas, but I've
> too much to do right now.
>
> TYVM!
Hey Jay,
Just wanted to tell you..
/*
I'm working on a xml-based templating system, which caches all the steps
it does, so it overcomes the slowness =)
And ofcource because I like xml and all the neith things you can do with it.
*/
Sounds like you are pretty good with xml... i know very little of XML, do
you
have a link I can read u
On 4/28/2005 8:18:28 PM, Andre Dubuc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thursday 28 April 2005 02:05 pm, John Nichel wrote:
>
> > Jason Barnett wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Humor is on my "TODO" list.
>
> >
>
> > Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > John C. Nichel
>
> > ÜberGeek
Evert | Rooftop Solutions wrote:
Yes, and that's how I read this reply =)
About the subject,
I'm working on a xml-based templating system, which caches all the steps
it does, so it overcomes the slowness =)
And ofcource because I like xml and all the neith things you can do with
it.
grt,
Evert
O
Ryan A wrote:
I would go for a xml-style template engine (start flaming right below
this thread)
Hey Rob,
I sorry for the mix up but the above (however "obvious") was *not* meant to
be
a flame, I was *only* joking with the guy.
Is it just me or is joking becoming outlawed on the list? M
Andre Dubuc wrote:
On Thursday 28 April 2005 02:05 pm, John Nichel wrote:
Jason Barnett wrote:
Humor is on my "TODO" list.
Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
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Just out of curiosity, are there any templati
On Thursday 28 April 2005 02:05 pm, John Nichel wrote:
> Jason Barnett wrote:
>
>
> > Humor is on my "TODO" list.
>
> Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
>
> --
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> ÜberGeek
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> 716.856.9675
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just out of curiosity, are there any templating engines
[snip]
Jason Barnett wrote:
> Humor is on my "TODO" list.
Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
[/snip]
Now, I know that we all love to discuss small dogs from Kansas, but I've
too much to do right now.
TYVM!
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On 4/28/2005 8:05:31 PM, John Nichel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Jason Barnett wrote:
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> > Humor is on my "TODO" list.
>
>
>
> Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
hehe
used to be on mine too, then I finally made a TODO list and now I have a
TODO reminder to do the things on my
Jason Barnett wrote:
Humor is on my "TODO" list.
Making a TODO list is on my TODO list.
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Is it just me or is joking becoming outlawed on the list? Most of us are
geeks or classified as
geeks on the lista little geek humour please? programming is a serious
business and i find myself
getting quite stressed sometimesusing a little humour or reading others
humourous replies helps
I
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> > > I would go for a xml-style template engine (start flaming right below
> > > this thread)
> > Flaming??? who has time to start flaming after reading what you wrote?
> > am busying banging my head against the wall.
> To state the obvious... the above is in actuality a flame disguised as
>
Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
Just FYI,
you've opened the door for a holy war, as temlating and
template engines are a fairly volatile topic, with many people holding
very extreme opinions on the subject.
(me? I use Smarty.)
So just because you use smarty you think you are smart and
On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 13:20, Ryan A wrote:
> On 4/28/2005 7:08:00 PM, Evert | Rooftop Solutions
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Ryan A wrote:
> > >So just because you use smarty you think you are smart and have the right
> > to be smart..who the hell do you think you are??
> >
> > >Sorry, just giv
On 4/28/2005 7:08:00 PM, Evert | Rooftop Solutions
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Ryan A wrote:
> >So just because you use smarty you think you are smart and have the right
> to be smart..who the hell do you think you are??
>
> >Sorry, just giving an example of how a jackass with extreme opinions
>
Ryan A wrote:
So just because you use smarty you think you are smart and have the right to
be smart..who the hell do you think you are??
Sorry, just giving an example of how a jackass with extreme opinions would
write on this holy war's volatile topic. no offense meant
:-)
Cheers,
Ryan
I wo
> > Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
>
>
>
> Just FYI,
> you've opened the door for a holy war, as temlating and
> template engines are a fairly volatile topic, with many people holding
> very extreme opinions on the subject.
>
> (me? I use Smarty.)
>
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Hi,
I dont mind seeing php and html together, but designer generally hate
it, so I would want to seperate php code from html as much as possible.
clive
Jason Barnett wrote:
Clive Zagno wrote:
Hi all,
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net
* Clive Zagno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What templating engines do you use with php and why?
>
> Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
Just FYI, you've opened the door for a holy war, as temlating and
template engines are a fairly volatile topic, with many people holding
very extreme opinions
Clive Zagno wrote:
Hi all,
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
Clive.
PHP itself is a templating engine, i.e. it can be used to filter input
and format it into output. But Smarty is nice if you want your people
to be able to create a
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