Author: Roman Pronskiy (pronskiy)
Committer: GitHub (web-flow)
Pusher: derickr
Date: 2025-09-04T13:44:33+01:00

Commit: 
https://github.com/php/web-php/commit/52e8bd6265213d0aa57f2ddd163331cdf8aea261
Raw diff: 
https://github.com/php/web-php/commit/52e8bd6265213d0aa57f2ddd163331cdf8aea261.diff

Revamp support page structure (#1356)

* Revamp support page structure: add relevant resources, move outdated to 
archive

* Code review updates

* Reflow for CS

* Tweak language on NNTP and news/mailinglists

---------

Co-authored-by: Derick Rethans <git...@derickrethans.nl>

Changed paths:
  M  support.php


Diff:

diff --git a/support.php b/support.php
index 370e834f7e..3f1848e60c 100644
--- a/support.php
+++ b/support.php
@@ -8,11 +8,9 @@
   <div class="body">
     <ul>
       <li><a href="#documentation">Documentation</a></li>
-      <li><a href="#mailing-lists">Mailing Lists</a></li>
-      <li><a href="#newsgroups">Newsgroups</a></li>
-      <li><a href="#user-groups">User Groups</a></li>
-      <li><a href="#events-training">Events &amp; Training</a></li>
-      <li><a href="#irc">IRC</a></li>
+      <li><a href="#community-support">Community Support</a></li>
+      <li><a href="#user-groups-events">User Groups &amp; Events</a></li>
+      <li><a href="#archive">Archive (Legacy resources)</a></li>
       <!-- Purposefully no link to the webmasters -->
     </ul>
   </div>
@@ -36,74 +34,71 @@
  href="/docs.php">documentation</a> section.
 </p>
 
-<h2 id="mailing-lists">Mailing Lists</h2>
+<h2 id="community-support">Community Support</h2>
 
 <p>
- There are a number of mailing lists devoted to talking about PHP and related
- projects. <a href="mailing-lists.php">This list</a> describes them all, has
- links to searchable archives for all of the lists, and explains how to
- subscribe to the lists.
-</p>
-
-<h2 id="newsgroups">Newsgroups</h2>
-
-<p>
- The PHP language newsgroup is comp.lang.php, available on any
- news server around the globe. In addition to this many of our mailing
- lists are also reflected onto the news server at
- <a href="news://news.php.net";>news://news.php.net/</a>. The
- server also has a read only web interface at
- <a href="https://news-web.php.net/";>https://news-web.php.net/</a>.
+ For day-to-day help and troubleshooting, the broader PHP community is very 
active in a few places:
 </p>
+<ul>
+ <li>
+  <p><strong>Reddit:</strong> <a 
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/";>r/PHP</a> — look for the Weekly help 
threads that are pinned to the top for beginner and general questions.</p>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+  <p><strong>Stack Overflow:</strong> browse or ask questions using the <a 
href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/php";>php tag</a>.</p>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+  <strong>Discord:</strong> there are many community-ran servers for 
chat-based help and discussion. Here are a couple of popular ones:
+  <ul>
+   <li><a href="https://phpc.chat/";>phpc.chat</a></li>
+   <li><a href="https://discord.gg/php-developers-484326318851358720";>PHP 
Developers</a></li>
+  </ul>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+  <strong>IRC:</strong> real-time chat at <a 
href="https://libera.chat/";>Libera.Chat</a> in <strong>#phpc</strong>.
+  This channel is also bridged with Discord via <a 
href="https://phpc.chat/";>phpc.chat</a>.
+ </li>
+</ul>
+
+<h2 id="user-groups-events">User Groups &amp; Events</h2>
 
 <p>
- Mailing list messages are transfered to newsgroup posts and
- newsgroup posts are sent to the mailing lists. Please note
- that these newsgroups are only available on this server.
+ Connect with local and regional PHP User Groups and find upcoming meetups, 
conferences, and training sessions:
 </p>
+<ul>
+ <li>Find a user group near you on <a href="http://php.ug/";>PHP.ug</a>.</li>
+ <li>Browse upcoming events on the <a href="/cal.php">event calendar</a>.</li>
+ <li>Want to list an event? Submit it <a 
href="/submit-event.php">here</a>.</li>
+</ul>
 
-<h2 id="user-groups">User Groups</h2>
+<h2 id="archive">Archive (Legacy Resources)</h2>
 
+<h3 id="mailing-lists">Mailing Lists</h3>
 <p>
- Chances are that there is a User Group in your neighborhood, which are 
generally
- a great resource both for beginners and experienced PHP users.
- Check out the User Group listing on <a href="http://php.ug/";>PHP.ug</a> to 
see if there
- is one close by.
+ Historically, a number of mailing lists were devoted to talking about PHP and 
related projects. While
+ many are no longer active, you can still find their descriptions and archives 
on <a href="mailing-lists.php">this page</a>.
 </p>
 
-<h2 id="events-training">Events &amp; Training</h2>
-
+<h3 id="newsgroups">Newsgroups</h3>
 <p>
- A list of upcoming events (such as user group meetings and PHP training
- sessions) is included in the right-hand column of the front page, and
- on the <a href="/cal.php">event calendar page</a>. If you want to list
- an upcoming event, just fill out the form <a
- href="/submit-event.php">on this page</a>.
+ There was a PHP language NNTP newsgroup at comp.lang.php, and many of our 
support mailing
+ lists are also reflected onto our news server at <a 
href="news://news.php.net";>news://news.php.net/</a>.
+ The server also has a read only web interface at
+ <a href="https://news-web.php.net/";>https://news-web.php.net/</a>.
 </p>
-
-<h2 id="irc">Internet Relay Chat</h2>
-
 <p>
- Otherwise known as IRC. Here you can usually find experienced PHP people
- sitting around doing nothing on various channels with php in their names.
- Note that there is no official IRC channel. Check
- <a href="https://libera.chat/";>Libera.Chat</a> or any other major network
- (<a href="http://www.efnet.org/";>EFNet</a>,
- <a href="http://www.quakenet.org";>QuakeNet</a>,
- <a href="http://www.ircnet.com/";>IRCNet</a>,
- <a href="http://www.dal.net/";>DALNet</a> and
- <a href="http://oftc.net";>OFTC</a>).
+ Please note that these are legacy resources and primarily useful for 
historical reference.
 </p>
 
 <h2 id="webmasters">PHP.net webmasters</h2>
 
 <p>
  If you have a problem or suggestion <em>in connection with the PHP.net
- website or mirror sites</em>, <a href="/contact.php">please
- contact the webmasters</a>. If you have problems setting up PHP
- or using some functionality, please ask your question on a support
- channel detailed above, the webmasters will not answer any such
- questions.
+ website</em>, <a href="/contact.php">please contact the webmasters</a>.
+</p>
+<p>
+ If you have problems setting up PHP or using some functionality,
+ please ask your question on a support channel detailed above,
+ the webmasters will not answer any such questions.
 </p>
 
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