Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2013-01-08 Thread Levi Morrison
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Levi Morrison > wrote: > >> If we probide beta=0 option I think we will wind up in the same > >> situation, stalled effort as people just set their preferences to > >> beta=0 "until the new look is finis

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2013-01-08 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Levi Morrison wrote: >> If we probide beta=0 option I think we will wind up in the same >> situation, stalled effort as people just set their preferences to >> beta=0 "until the new look is finished". > > This is just one more reason to not launch it until it is be

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2013-01-08 Thread Levi Morrison
> If we probide beta=0 option I think we will wind up in the same > situation, stalled effort as people just set their preferences to > beta=0 "until the new look is finished". This is just one more reason to not launch it until it is better. I think that there has been a reasonable amount of codi

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2013-01-08 Thread Hannes Magnusson
I really hate this new gmail composing interface that makes it really difficult not to top-post. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Paul Dragoonis wrote: > I like your optimistic ideas Hannes. > > I honestly think the new one is almost ready if we decide on the most > mission critical bugs to be res

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2013-01-08 Thread Paul Dragoonis
I like your optimistic ideas Hannes. I honestly think the new one is almost ready if we decide on the most mission critical bugs to be resolved, and we resolve them, we should be able to just switch. NB: We can add a suttle bar at the top saying to people, "view this page in the old style", so th

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2013-01-08 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Stewart Lord wrote: > On Dec 27, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: >> 3. When should we launch the site? >> >> As far as I'm aware, there aren't any functionality gaps relative to >> the stable site now. The design seems locked down, and this has been >> draggin

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Levi Morrison
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Stewart Lord wrote: > I have been thinking about the styling problems and I think we need some > help. I am going to reach out to a couple of visual designers I know to see > if one of them is willing to donate some time. Anyone else have contacts? I sent an ema

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Stewart Lord
I have been thinking about the styling problems and I think we need some help. I am going to reach out to a couple of visual designers I know to see if one of them is willing to donate some time. Anyone else have contacts? Stew On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > Also, can we

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Stewart Lord
On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > Also, can we put in writing somewhere our targeted browser support? Or > at least temporarily what will our IE target support be? > > As of PHP 5.5 we'll drop Windows XP support. Theoretically that means > we can target IE 9+ because the last ve

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Levi Morrison
Also, can we put in writing somewhere our targeted browser support? Or at least temporarily what will our IE target support be? As of PHP 5.5 we'll drop Windows XP support. Theoretically that means we can target IE 9+ because the last version of IE that runs on XP is version 8. Even if we don't d

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Stewart Lord
On 2012-12-31, at 10:41 AM, Sherif Ramadan wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Stewart Lord wrote: > > > On 2012-12-30, at 10:07 PM, Sherif Ramadan wrote: > > > Sorry, that was poorly worded. I didn't mean to suggest that the each data > > URI generates a transfer over TCP.

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Sherif Ramadan
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Stewart Lord wrote: > > > On 2012-12-30, at 10:07 PM, Sherif Ramadan > wrote: > > > Sorry, that was poorly worded. I didn't mean to suggest that the each > data > > URI generates a transfer over TCP. What I'm saying is that there is a > > caching disadvantage her

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Stewart Lord
On 2012-12-30, at 10:07 PM, Sherif Ramadan wrote: > Sorry, that was poorly worded. I didn't mean to suggest that the each data > URI generates a transfer over TCP. What I'm saying is that there is a > caching disadvantage here since the initial JSON request itself can't be > cached (the one com

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-31 Thread Levi Morrison
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Paul Dragoonis wrote: > I also agree that the site is not production ready, we still have to fix a > bunch of outstanding issues. Is there a reference list of outstanding > todo's or issues? > > Do we have our own bugs.php.net category? if not we should add one. >

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-30 Thread Sherif Ramadan
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Stewart Lord wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Sherif Ramadan wrote: > > > Now for the bad news: > > > > 1) Prototype actually requires a lot more requests per page view than > the existing site. (Upon preliminary testing this about double the number > of r

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-30 Thread Stewart Lord
On Dec 30, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Sherif Ramadan wrote: > Now for the bad news: > > 1) Prototype actually requires a lot more requests per page view than the > existing site. (Upon preliminary testing this about double the number of > requests on average). The main reason for this seems to be that

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-30 Thread Sherif Ramadan
Since we're deciding on whether or not the site is production ready we should take into consideration function over form. I think I'd like to point out a few objective points here. 1) The site functions as intended. There are no major functionality issues that I've found so far. Things like stylin

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-30 Thread Paul Dragoonis
Hi Guys, I also agree that the site is not production ready, we still have to fix a bunch of outstanding issues. Is there a reference list of outstanding todo's or issues? Do we have our own bugs.php.net category? if not we should add one. I'd like to get more momentum on this (from peeps like u

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-30 Thread Stewart Lord
On Dec 27, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: > 3. When should we launch the site? > > As far as I'm aware, there aren't any functionality gaps relative to > the stable site now. The design seems locked down, and this has been > dragging on for way too long. I'd like to suggest an aggressive > t

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-28 Thread Adam Harvey
On 28 December 2012 11:29, Levi Morrison wrote: > The trimmed down version is less mega than it used to be, but it's > still bad. I vote we kill it in favor of landing pages plus good > second-level navigation (like what exists in the documentation pages > on the left-hand side). I'm against this

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-28 Thread Adam Harvey
On 29 December 2012 04:30, Philip Olson wrote: > On Dec 27, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: >> I've spent part of my afternoon working through the beta site and >> trying to deal with the last few issues that we have left before we >> can make a decision on when to make it live. There are und

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-28 Thread Philip Olson
On Dec 27, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: Ooooh nice, most PHP tasks require someone to really make them happen. :) > Ladies, gentlemen, droids, > > I've spent part of my afternoon working through the beta site and > trying to deal with the last few issues that we have left before we > c

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-27 Thread Sherif Ramadan
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: > Ladies, gentlemen, droids, > > I've spent part of my afternoon working through the beta site and > trying to deal with the last few issues that we have left before we > can make a decision on when to make it live. There are undoubtedly > stil

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-27 Thread Levi Morrison
>> 1. Should we keep the mega dropdown? >> >> I know there are some varying opinions on this — I personally like it, >> but it definitely needs to be constrained to be relatively short for >> each of the categories. I've had a stab at (significantly) reducing >> the size of the documentation menu b

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Turning beta into production

2012-12-27 Thread Adam Harvey
Ladies, gentlemen, droids, I've spent part of my afternoon working through the beta site and trying to deal with the last few issues that we have left before we can make a decision on when to make it live. There are undoubtedly still styling issues that should be dealt with, but at this point, I f