Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-18 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:34:24AM -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: > >>If the type IDs in genunix change, I assume its elfhash changes. > >>Likewise, if the dependent modules change, their elfhashes will > >>change as well. > > > >As long as you're aware that this will happen to *every* ON module on

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-18 Thread Bart Smaalders
John Levon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:20:43PM -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: > >>> Perhaps it would be more productive if I ask you how you see this >>> working. In particular, what changes are you going to make to the >>> relevant parts of the kernel Makefiles? >> There will be no changes

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-18 Thread Bart Smaalders
Philip Brown wrote: > I'd like to see if I'm properly understanding what you wrote here, Bart, > > > Bart Smaalders wrote: >> There will be no changes in the kernel makefiles in terms of building >> the kernel. Packages will be delivered to a repo rather than >> being created on disk >> >> I

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-18 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 07:55:07AM -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > > Another downside worth mentioning is that ON modules will retain their > > special status - no other kernel module is allowed to use CTF > > uniquification, with the performance overhead that implies. > > Only ON binaries are a

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-18 Thread Philip Brown
I'd like to see if I'm properly understanding what you wrote here, Bart, Bart Smaalders wrote: > > There will be no changes in the kernel makefiles in terms of building > the kernel. Packages will be delivered to a repo rather than > being created on disk > > If the type IDs in genunix cha

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-18 Thread Alan Coopersmith
John Levon wrote: > Another downside worth mentioning is that ON modules will retain their > special status - no other kernel module is allowed to use CTF > uniquification, with the performance overhead that implies. Only ON binaries are allowed to use CTF *at all*, but this isn't the place for th

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-17 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:20:43PM -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: > >Perhaps it would be more productive if I ask you how you see this > >working. In particular, what changes are you going to make to the > >relevant parts of the kernel Makefiles? > > There will be no changes in the kernel makefiles

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-17 Thread Bart Smaalders
John Levon wrote: > If you build the exact same source files with an identical CBE, the CTF > will be the same. Anything that changes the type IDs of genunix require > either refreshing all dependent modules, or some labelling scheme as is > currently used. > > Perhaps it would be more productive

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-17 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 09:51:17AM -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: > >Well, it's a little more fundamental than that - without *some* labelling, > >every kernel change (that is, every new pkg revision of genunix) means > >every kernel module is rebuilt and re-issued too. > > There are a lot of kerne

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-17 Thread Bart Smaalders
John Levon wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 08:49:43AM -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: > >>> Has someone thought through the implications of the IPS approach on >>> the CTF parts of the kernel build? (See >>> http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/reducing_ctf_overhead if you need >>> context) >>> For the

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-17 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 08:49:43AM -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: > >Has someone thought through the implications of the IPS approach on > >the CTF parts of the kernel build? (See > >http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/reducing_ctf_overhead if you need > >context) > > >For the sake of kmdb and crash d

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-14 Thread Bart Smaalders
Darren J Moffat wrote: > Bart Smaalders wrote: >> John Levon wrote: >>> Has someone thought through the implications of the IPS approach on >>> the CTF parts of the kernel build? (See >>> http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/reducing_ctf_overhead if you need >>> context) >> >> From the referenced blog

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-14 Thread John Zolnowsky x69422/408-404-5064
> From: Bart Smaalders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > John Levon wrote: > > Has someone thought through the implications of the IPS approach on > > the CTF parts of the kernel build? (See > > http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/reducing_ctf_overhead if you need > > context) > > From the referenced blog: >

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-14 Thread Darren J Moffat
Bart Smaalders wrote: > John Levon wrote: >> Has someone thought through the implications of the IPS approach on >> the CTF parts of the kernel build? (See >> http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/reducing_ctf_overhead if you need >> context) > > From the referenced blog: > >> For the sake of kmdb an

Re: [pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-14 Thread Bart Smaalders
John Levon wrote: > Has someone thought through the implications of the IPS approach on > the CTF parts of the kernel build? (See > http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/reducing_ctf_overhead if you need > context) From the referenced blog: > For the sake of kmdb and crash dumps, the CTF data for eac

[pkg-discuss] genunix, CTF and IPS

2008-03-14 Thread John Levon
Has someone thought through the implications of the IPS approach on the CTF parts of the kernel build? (See http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/reducing_ctf_overhead if you need context) regards, john ___ pkg-discuss mailing list pkg-discuss@opensolaris.or