Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Patrick Ouellette wrote: The ham radio node package was uploaded in 2005. The binary existed as part of ax25-tools before then. (At least I think it was the -tools package, could have been libax25 or ax25-apps) Ah, thanks for this reminder. So an appropriate new name to transition to

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Packaging jPlayer

2012-05-02 Thread Emilien Klein
Hi Pau. 2012/5/1 Pau Garcia i Quiles pgqui...@elpauer.org: Hi, I'm the maintainer of Wt (  http://packages.debian.org/sid/witty  ). Since version 3.1.11, Wt uses jPlayer to implement the WVideo and WAudio classes. Today I discovered SwfTools provides an AS3 compiler (previously I though

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Patrick Ouellette
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 01:34:47AM +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote: On 02/05/2012 00:16, Patrick Ouellette wrote: (shrinking cc list because I think I've said too much on -devel already) Hi Pat, Patrick Ouellette wrote: I was under the impression that neither package was going to move

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Patrick Ouellette
FWIW, the ham radio node package has been in Debian since 1999 according to packages.debian.org. On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 01:50:03AM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: [...] It is perfectly reasonable to have a transition plan to a new name. Given the age of the two packages, I'm not

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Patrick Ouellette wrote: Likewise I can argue the number of people with installed ham radio systems is a good reason NOT to change the current situation. You can, yes. But how does that move things forward at all? This is not supposed to be a popularity contest. I mentioned the large pile

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 01:02:14PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote: (I added lea...@debian.org to the Cc: because this is something that I think needs addressed at the leadership level) In that case, please clarify what you expect from me :-), especially taking in account the fact that DPL's

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi Stefano, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 01:02:14PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote: (I added lea...@debian.org to the Cc: because this is something that I think needs addressed at the leadership level) In that case, please clarify what you expect from me :-), especially

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Patrick Ouellette
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 12:13:49PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Patrick Ouellette wrote: Likewise I can argue the number of people with installed ham radio systems is a good reason NOT to change the current situation. You can, yes. But how does that move things forward at all? I never

[Pkg-javascript-devel] Processed: limit source to node-nopt, tagging 671256

2012-05-02 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: #node-nopt (1.0.10-2) UNRELEASED; urgency=low # # * Add dependency on node-abbrev. (Closes: #671256) # limit source node-nopt Limiting to bugs with field 'source' containing at least one of 'node-nopt' Limit currently set to

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Patrick Ouellette wrote: (The patch sent does not address automatically updating anything) This is very funny. You are putting patch in quotes, but it[1] was a real patch. It did not automatically update anything because it was meant to be a simple patch to

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Request for policy interpretation: procedure and possible outcomes for naming conflicts

2012-05-02 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 02:12:22PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Hi policy editors, In the discussion at [1], Pat wrote to the DPL asking for some mediation in figuring out what should happen to the node command name. No one has offered that mediation (the ctte presumably could do it if

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Request for policy interpretation: procedure and possible outcomes for naming conflicts

2012-05-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Bill Allombert wrote: On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 02:12:22PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Policy also states that different packages must not install commands with different functionality with the same name. Such packages would have to Conflicts anyway, and gratuituous conflict must be

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Request for policy interpretation: procedure and possible outcomes for naming conflicts

2012-05-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: Stefano suggested writing to you to request interpretation of policy. Sorry to drag you into this. Thoughts would be welcome, but if you'd prefer to hold off on interpretation until this particular story is resolved, that would be a fine answer,

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a node command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonathan Nieder writes (tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a node command to have a reasonable conversation): The node and nodejs packages both provide a command named node. I'm disappointed to see this is still rumbling on. There is only one correct solution, and it is this:

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a node command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I'm disappointed to see this is still rumbling on. There is only one correct solution, and it is this: In the long term, I would be happiest if both were renamed. I won't reiterate the arguments that I've already made on debian-devel, but

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a node command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes (Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a node command to have a reasonable conversation): I also think the current Policy suggestion to rename both programs in the event of an unreconciled naming conflict is not a very good idea, and think it

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a node command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I really feel it's unfair to allow johnny-come-lately's who couldn't be bothered to choose a reasonable name for their program, and who couldn't be bothered even to look up whether the name was already taken, to just blunder their way into

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Packaging jPlayer

2012-05-02 Thread Marcelo Jorge Vieira
Hi Pau, On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 11:51 +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: Hi, I'm the maintainer of Wt ( http://packages.debian.org/sid/witty ). Since version 3.1.11, Wt uses jPlayer to implement the WVideo and WAudio classes. Today I discovered SwfTools provides an AS3 compiler (previously