Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-31 Thread Ross Gammon
On 28/01/17 18:44, Pirate Praveen wrote: On ശനി 28 ജനുവരി 2017 10:21 വൈകു, Ross Gammon wrote: I was disappointed with this too. I think we should be encouraging newcomers to place their packaging in the standard place, so we can help them when required. The last thing we want is node-*/js packag

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-28 Thread Pirate Praveen
On ശനി 28 ജനുവരി 2017 10:21 വൈകു, Ross Gammon wrote: > I was disappointed with this too. I think we should be encouraging > newcomers to place their packaging in the standard place, so we can help > them when required. The last thing we want is node-*/js packaging being > done in a different way, i

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-28 Thread Ross Gammon
Hi Pirate, On 01/27/2017 10:02 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: > Thanks to a bug in npm2deb search which does not look in experimental > and our excellent on boarding practices which prefers keeping new git > repos out of team repo in alioth, people are duplicating work, packaging > already packaged nod

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-27 Thread Pirate Praveen
Thanks to a bug in npm2deb search which does not look in experimental and our excellent on boarding practices which prefers keeping new git repos out of team repo in alioth, people are duplicating work, packaging already packaged node modules (node-timed-out and node-cli-spinners already, I expect

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-07 Thread Ross Gammon
Hi All, Sorry - I am a bit late to this. I have had problems with my javascript email address, and I am now using a new one here. On 01/06/2017 07:21 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: > I have asked them to push their work to git.fosscommunity.in and send > RFS mails to this list. Those who institute suc

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-06 Thread Ximin Luo
Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-06 11:54:00) >> Jonas Smedegaard: > [..] I do not see this as sustainable and I will not approve any > more requests in this team. if we, as a team are unable to follow > the processes in line with the debian philosophy and spirit, I will

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-06 11:54:00) > Jonas Smedegaard: [..] I do not see this as sustainable and I will not approve any more requests in this team. if we, as a team are unable to follow the processes in line with the debian philosophy and spirit, I will remove myself as

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-06 Thread Ximin Luo
Jonas Smedegaard: >>> [..] I do not see this as sustainable and I will not approve any more >>> requests in this team. if we, as a team are unable to follow the >>> processes in line with the debian philosophy and spirit, I will >>> remove myself as an admin from this team. >>> >>> I will not im

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-06 11:27:00) > Pirate Praveen: >> On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 10:20 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: >>> Let's please talk about the specifics of this situation rather than >>> appealing to vague notions of being welcoming. >> >> This is completely arbitrary restriction. I was thinki

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-06 Thread Ximin Luo
Pirate Praveen: > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 10:20 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: >> Let's please talk about the specifics of this situation rather than >> appealing to vague notions of being welcoming. > > This is completely arbitrary restriction. I was thinking we evaluate > people based on what they hav

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 10:20 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > Let's please talk about the specifics of this situation rather than appealing > to vague notions of being welcoming. > > It's my experience that events like these do not generally result in > long-term maintainers. Yes, I am indeed treating

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 10:20 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > Let's please talk about the specifics of this situation rather than appealing > to vague notions of being welcoming. This is completely arbitrary restriction. I was thinking we evaluate people based on what they have done, rather than when a

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, On 05/01/2017 20:39, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I don't think anyone has suggested or implied forcing anyone to do anything (please help point out if I missed some detail on that!). I meant if they just attended an event, they may have little motivation to actually join any team, so getting

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Julien Puydt (2017-01-05 18:41:22) > On 05/01/2017 18:24, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 17:50:00) > >> I propose some reasonable checks, to ensure that we get people who are > >> interested. I disagree that this attitude is flawed. > > > > Thanks. Ximin. > > > >

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, On 05/01/2017 18:24, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 17:50:00) I propose some reasonable checks, to ensure that we get people who are interested. I disagree that this attitude is flawed. Thanks. Ximin. What do others think? Until now the discussion seems to have b

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 17:50:00) > I propose some reasonable checks, to ensure that we get people who are > interested. I disagree that this attitude is flawed. Thanks. Ximin. What do others think? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 W

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Jonas Smedegaard: > [..] > > I (loudly!) oppose treating not-yet-members as inactive: Improving > security by minimizing activity is a luxury we cannot afford! > > [..] > > Since when did we validate membership based on how they formulated > their requests to join? > > Were you yourself treat

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 16:26:00) > Jonas Smedegaard: > > Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 13:51:00) > >> > >> [..] > >> > >> The security aspect is just one factor, not the main factor. > > > > Ok, you now tell me that security is not the main factor. > > > > I clearly read your previous emai

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Paolo Greppi
On 05/01/2017 16:18, Bas Couwenberg wrote: > On 2017-01-05 15:40, Paolo Greppi wrote: >> When I read this, I became curious about who creates and contributes >> to repos in /git/pkg-javascript. Here is what I found out thanks to my >> paolog-guest shell access to git.d.o. > > Please note that pkg-

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Paolo Greppi (2017-01-05 15:40:16) > On 05/01/2017 14:00, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:09 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > >> This has nothing to do with tools, as Jonas mentioned it is about a > >> continual time dedication to a FOSS project. Please try to understand this

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 13:51:00) >> >> [..] >> >> The security aspect is just one factor, not the main factor. > > Ok, you now tell me that security is not the main factor. > > I clearly read your previous email as if security was the main factor > for rejecting these

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Bas Couwenberg
On 2017-01-05 15:40, Paolo Greppi wrote: When I read this, I became curious about who creates and contributes to repos in /git/pkg-javascript. Here is what I found out thanks to my paolog-guest shell access to git.d.o. Please note that pkg-javascript also uses many repositories under /git/coll

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Pirate Praveen: > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:44 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: >> It's normal convention in any organisation or project to temporarily revert >> a change that is controversial. > > ok. > >> Adding 10 new people from an event, every time there is an event, is also >> not sustainable as

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Paolo Greppi
On 05/01/2017 14:00, Pirate Praveen wrote: > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:09 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: >> This has nothing to do with tools, as Jonas mentioned it is about a >> continual time dedication to a FOSS project. Please try to understand this. > Yes, it has a lot to do with our tools. If we w

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Pirate Praveen (2017-01-05 14:06:32) > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:21 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > > We don't have hard rules, but we all have our ideas about what is right or > > wrong. For you, it is a question of "are they aware". For me, I explained > > it in my other email, and it roughl

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 13:51:00) > Jonas Smedegaard: >> Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 12:53:00) >>> Pirate Praveen: On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 04:22 വൈകു, Jérémy Lal wrote: > This is great, but is this serious ? > Anyone knows what's happening ? [...] I'm taking a packaging w

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:44 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > It's normal convention in any organisation or project to temporarily revert a > change that is controversial. ok. > Adding 10 new people from an event, every time there is an event, is also not > sustainable as a team. I have organized ma

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Pirate Praveen: > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:21 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: >> We don't have hard rules, but we all have our ideas about what is right or >> wrong. For you, it is a question of "are they aware". For me, I explained it >> in my other email, and it roughly overlaps with "are they aware"

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:21 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > We don't have hard rules, but we all have our ideas about what is right or > wrong. For you, it is a question of "are they aware". For me, I explained it > in my other email, and it roughly overlaps with "are they aware". I have accepted th

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Pirate Praveen: > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:09 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: >> This has nothing to do with tools, as Jonas mentioned it is about a >> continual time dedication to a FOSS project. Please try to understand this. > > Yes, it has a lot to do with our tools. If we were using a git hosting

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 06:09 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > This has nothing to do with tools, as Jonas mentioned it is about a continual > time dedication to a FOSS project. Please try to understand this. Yes, it has a lot to do with our tools. If we were using a git hosting tool like gitlab or pagu

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 12:53:00) >> Pirate Praveen: >>> On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 04:22 വൈകു, Jérémy Lal wrote: This is great, but is this serious ? Anyone knows what's happening ? > >>> I'm taking a packaging workshop at College of Engineering Pune [1]. >>> >>>

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ximin Luo (2017-01-05 12:53:00) > Pirate Praveen: >> On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 04:22 വൈകു, Jérémy Lal wrote: >>> This is great, but is this serious ? >>> Anyone knows what's happening ? >> I'm taking a packaging workshop at College of Engineering Pune [1]. >> >> This is 4th day of the work

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Pirate Praveen: > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 05:23 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: >> Hi, please don't add these people. >> >> People in the alioth group have read-write access to all pkg-javascript git >> repos as well as shell access on that machine. >> >> I don't think it's right to give this many people,

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 05:23 വൈകു, Ximin Luo wrote: > Hi, please don't add these people. > > People in the alioth group have read-write access to all pkg-javascript git > repos as well as shell access on that machine. > > I don't think it's right to give this many people, who show up at an eve

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Pirate Praveen (2017-01-05 12:05:09) > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 04:22 വൈകു, Jérémy Lal wrote: >> This is great, but is this serious ? >> Anyone knows what's happening ? > I'm taking a packaging workshop at College of Engineering Pune [1]. > > This is 4th day of the workshop and many have

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Ximin Luo
Pirate Praveen: > On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 04:22 വൈകു, Jérémy Lal wrote: >> This is great, but is this serious ? >> Anyone knows what's happening ? > > Hi Jeremy, > > I'm taking a packaging workshop at College of Engineering Pune [1]. > > This is 4th day of the workshop and many have completed t

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാഴം 05 ജനുവരി 2017 04:22 വൈകു, Jérémy Lal wrote: > This is great, but is this serious ? > Anyone knows what's happening ? Hi Jeremy, I'm taking a packaging workshop at College of Engineering Pune [1]. This is 4th day of the workshop and many have completed their packages and are ready for

[Pkg-javascript-devel] lots of requests to join pkg-javascript

2017-01-05 Thread Jérémy Lal
This is great, but is this serious ? Anyone knows what's happening ? Jérémy -- Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel