Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-05 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 2017-03-05 09:32, schrieb René J. V. Bertin: Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: Turn the screen off. Problem solved. Sure, that's why I use computers, to have to remember myself to do everything by hand... I'd suggest to remove all current hooks into power management too if that's the prevalent mind

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-05 Thread Kai Uwe Broulik
> to have to remember myself to do everything by hand...  It does that automatically by default...

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-05 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > Turn the screen off. Problem solved. Sure, that's why I use computers, to have to remember myself to do everything by hand... I'd suggest to remove all current hooks into power management too if that's the prevalent mindset - just turn the computer off. Problem solved.

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 2017-03-04 16:34, schrieb Kai Uwe Broulik: I know, but the checkbox next to "ask password after" is gone so you can no longer disable locking while keeping a screensaver feature. Ah, yes, that is gone. There's no screen "saver" anymore but just a lock screen that happens to have a fancy wall

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-04 Thread Kai Uwe Broulik
> I know, but the checkbox next to "ask password after" is gone so you can no > longer disable locking while keeping a screensaver feature. Ah, yes, that is gone. There's no screen "saver" anymore but just a lock screen that happens to have a fancy wallpaper architecture.  > As if no one would

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-04 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > You can disable automatic locking in System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> > Lock Screen‎ I know, but the checkbox next to "ask password after" is gone so you can no longer disable locking while keeping a screensaver feature. As if no one would want to prevent scree

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-04 Thread Kai Uwe Broulik
> Was it also decided by popular vote that locking should no longer be optional > (I cannot find an option to turn it off)? ‎ You can disable automatic locking in System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Lock Screen‎ > is it possible to port that part to the KF5 kscreenlocker API I doubt it. Th

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-04 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Luca Beltrame wrote: > Support for screensavers has been removed even in 4.x times when the new lock > screen architecture was introduced. ? It's still there in 4.14 and not as the result of patching it back in (and I'm running the most recent kde-workspace code). > That said, the screenlocker

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-03 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data venerdì 3 marzo 2017 10:59:03 CET, René J.V. Bertin ha scritto: > @plasma-devel : Can anyone tell me if a screensaver exists for > Plasma5 that puts up a simple, CPU-cheap clock like kclock does or if not, Support for screensavers has been removed even in 4.x times when the new lock scr

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-03 Thread René J . V . Bertin
To come back to the original topic: I have been tinkering with other display managers, and think now that the claim that kscreenlocker_greet uses the DM greeter for unlocking (on Plasma4) is unsubstantiated. When I switch to Ubuntu's LightDM I still get the same unlock dialog. I've built and ins

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-02 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Thursday March 2 2017 10:31:54 Duncan wrote: >others will still have those one or two X-based apps they want/need to >continue to run on a modern Linux/Wayland-based desktop a decade, even >two, from now. If you have picked up the clamour not so long ago when a rumour made the rounds that r

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-01 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 2017-03-01 15:50, schrieb Luca Beltrame: In data mercoledì 1 marzo 2017 15:44:48 CET, René J. V. Bertin ha scritto: And is that loginctl command supposed to work only on systems that use Only with systemd. Actually no. We interact with the DBus interface and don't care who owns the int

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-01 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data mercoledì 1 marzo 2017 15:44:48 CET, René J. V. Bertin ha scritto: > And is that loginctl command supposed to work only on systems that use Only with systemd. IIRC FreeBSD has a patch to make it work with ConsoleKit. > systemd throughout or elsewhere too? `loginctl kill-session X` works

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-01 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Luca Beltrame wrote: > With the exception of "loginctl unlock-sessions" as root or "loginctl unlock- > session" as the same user, none. It's the whole point of the screenlocker > architecture (that is, you can't just kill it and unlock the screen). And is that loginctl command supposed to work on

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-03-01 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Wednesday March 1 2017 06:32:45 Duncan wrote: >Without kdm or similar installed, kde4/plasma4 didn't have a greeter >available and I had to be careful not to lock the screen, etc, because >there was no way to unlock it as I had no greeter. So you are saying that despite what the resident exp

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data martedì 28 febbraio 2017 23:16:42 CET, René J.V. Bertin ha scritto: > 3) suppose something like this happens on a Plasma5 desktop, what backdoors > are there to unlock the session without killing it, from a virtual console? With the exception of "loginctl unlock-sessions" as root or "logi

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Please allow me a few follow-up questions Given that apparently the KDE4 screensaving/locking mechanism is too old to work correctly with whatever component is now too new: 1) can I prevent locking entirely, including at suspend/wake? I thought I'd seen an option that controls this in systemset

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 2017-02-28 19:47, schrieb René J.V. Bertin: On Tuesday February 28 2017 18:35:59 Martin Gräßlin wrote: Erm you count translations as commits? If not then trust the maintainer Please, I can read: commit 46f1055ffdcd2e068296576a7824012f42e9b9a8 Author: Wolfgang Bauer Date: Tue Aug 4 19:5

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Tuesday February 28 2017 18:35:59 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Erm you count translations as commits? If not then trust the maintainer Please, I can read: > commit 46f1055ffdcd2e068296576a7824012f42e9b9a8 > Author: Wolfgang Bauer > Date: Tue Aug 4 19:51:05 2015 +0200 > > Fix input focus fo

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 2017-02-28 18:08, schrieb René J.V. Bertin: On Tuesday February 28 2017 16:48:25 Martin Gräßlin wrote: As you should be aware of: kde4 has been unmaintained for years and is EOL. Yeah, I know that KDE no longer maintains most of KDE4. why in the name of Konqui are you asking questions ab

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data martedì 28 febbraio 2017 18:08:40 CET, René J.V. Bertin ha scritto: > Yeah, I know that KDE no longer maintains most of KDE4. Fortunately some > distributions have a slightly different take on concepts like continuity I would like if you stopped doing such blanket statements. Plasma 4 *wa

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Tuesday February 28 2017 16:48:25 Martin Gräßlin wrote: >As you should be aware of: kde4 has been unmaintained for years and is >EOL. Yeah, I know that KDE no longer maintains most of KDE4. Fortunately some distributions have a slightly different take on concepts like continuity and long-te

Re: [KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 2017-02-28 10:20, schrieb René J.V. Bertin: What component(s) might be involved? Who's responsible for the screensaver and screen/session locking? Is there a way to get an on-screen keyboard in the session unlock screen? As you should be aware of: kde4 has been unmaintained for years and is

[KDE4] what component does the screenlocking?

2017-02-28 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Hi, Sorry for cross-posting, I'm hoping it'll increase my chances of reaching someone who has an answer to the following. After upgrading my hardware to an N3150-based notebook, my KUbuntu 14.04 install has developed an annoying quirk. From time to time, the screensaver fails to start (= I get