Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-02-11 Thread Sebastian Kügler
So, another try. I sense that we're getting there... On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > We said that we wanted to release Plasma Next early this summer, so it's > about time we nail down a release schedule. > > Proposed Release Schedule On Wednesday, January 29, 20

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next: New Proposal

2014-02-06 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > We said that we wanted to release Plasma Next early this summer, so it's > about time we nail down a release schedule. > > Proposed Release Schedule The following proposal splits the freeze up in soft and hard and inserts another

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next: Recap

2014-02-03 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > What do you think? I've gone over the replies in this thread, and reduced it down to the following points that have been agreed upon: - Two freezes (soft, hard) - target date for repo splitting needed - more intermediate releases,

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-02-03 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > What do you think? During our weekly hangout, the following points came up: - Martin G requested to exclude Wayland-specific code to be exempt from feature freezes (as they don't affect code running under X11), no objections were

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-02-01 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hey, I've let the ideas in this thread sink in for a bit, and have now formed an opinion. On Friday, January 31, 2014 15:57:19 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2014 14:34:59 Eike Hein wrote: > > On Thursday 30 January 2014 18:23:41 Martin Graesslin wrote: > > > > Is Alpha unstable co

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-31 Thread Eike Hein
On Friday 31 January 2014 15:57:19 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Isn't it better to communicate the meaning through our release announcements > than through the implied meanings of words like "alpha" and "beta"? I just > read the wikipedia article [1] for it and from that I assume that everybody > in our

Re: Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-31 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 31 January 2014 14:34:59 Eike Hein wrote: > On Thursday 30 January 2014 18:23:41 Martin Graesslin wrote: > > > Is Alpha unstable code? A release that contains known critical bugs? why > > > do > > > we release them? Are distros going to package Alphas? > > > Is Beta unstable code? A relea

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-31 Thread Eike Hein
On Thursday 30 January 2014 18:23:41 Martin Graesslin wrote: > > Is Alpha unstable code? A release that contains known critical bugs? why > > do > > we release them? Are distros going to package Alphas? > > Is Beta unstable code? A release that contains known critical bugs? why do > > we release th

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-30 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Thursday 30 January 2014 17:48:34 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > On Wednesday 29 January 2014 16:52:51 Martin Graesslin wrote: > > I suggest to significantly increase the number of intermediate releases. > > One month between RC and final is too long. > > +1 > > > I would prefer to have a series of > >

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-30 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 16:52:51 Martin Graesslin wrote: > I suggest to significantly increase the number of intermediate releases. One > month between RC and final is too long. +1 > I would prefer to have a series of > release candidates and a release candidate should be exactly that: a > ca

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 17:09:32 Eike Hein wrote: > On Wednesday 29 January 2014 16:36:22 Martin Graesslin wrote: > > Do we really need this one week in between? Just tag and release on the > > day > > of feature freeze. It's the responsibility of all of us to not screw up. > > Why add to the

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Eike Hein
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 16:36:22 Martin Graesslin wrote: > Do we really need this one week in between? Just tag and release on the day > of feature freeze. It's the responsibility of all of us to not screw up. > Why add to the release schedule the possibility to screw up? We are giving > out t

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > Hi all, > > We said that we wanted to release Plasma Next early this summer, so it's > about time we nail down a release schedule. > > Proposed Release Schedule > > * Mon, 10th March Feature Freeze > * Thu 13th March Beta 1 > * Tue

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data mercoledì 29 gennaio 2014 16:40:55, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > To whoever poked Michael L. about it: please think whether it was useful to > make media aware of our internal discussions and announce a release date I believe he has some software that wades through mailing list messages

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > Hi all, > > We said that we wanted to release Plasma Next early this summer, so it's > about time we nail down a release schedule. > > Proposed Release Schedule > > * Mon, 10th March Feature Freeze > * Thu 13th March Beta 1 > * Tue

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread David Edmundson
I'd like a target date adding for when the repo splitting should be done by. That's going to be a very invasive task. David ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread David Edmundson
Personally I'd like to split this into: Feature Freeze1 Beta 1 Feature Freeze 2 Beta 2 with the first and second ones having different targets. i.e completely ignoring the screenlocker and just not have one for the first beta but instead spend that time making sure panel dragging works perfectly.

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 16:00:17 Eike Hein wrote: > On Wednesday 29 January 2014 15:53:21 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Let's aim for one week, we can delay the Alpha if need be, but > > realistically, we should only integrate things that are really done. Ways > > > to make the post- feature-fr

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Eike Hein
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 15:53:21 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > Let's aim for one week, we can delay the Alpha if need be, but > realistically, we should only integrate things that are really done. Ways > to make the post- feature-freeze week not cause havoc: One week (rather than the three days i

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 15:52:38 Eike Hein wrote: > On Wednesday 29 January 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > What do you think? > > I'd like to propose: > > * Renaming Beta 1 to "Alpha", mostly to hedge our bets on expectation > management. I realize we haven't been using Alpha

Re: Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Eike Hein
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 13:52:43 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > What do you think? I'd like to propose: * Renaming Beta 1 to "Alpha", mostly to hedge our bets on expectation management. I realize we haven't been using Alpha for the KDE 4 SC schedules lately, but Plasma Next isn't in "always s

Release schedule for Plasma Next

2014-01-29 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi all, We said that we wanted to release Plasma Next early this summer, so it's about time we nail down a release schedule. Proposed Release Schedule * Mon, 10th March Feature Freeze * Thu 13th March Beta 1 * Tue 15th April Beta 2 * Thu 15th May Release Candidate * Tue 17th June Plasma 2014.6