Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-06 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 18:57:49 Dario Freddi wrote: There is not a DBus interface exportable, however for 4.4 it would be nice if we could remove that code from PowerDevil and put it somewhere else (ideas, anyone?) Rob, feel free to contact me for more clarification on this. I really think

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-05 Thread Riccardo Iaconelli
On Saturday 02 May 2009 15:48:55 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: That makes me thinking: is there a easy and well working way to determine if the computer is actually being used at the moment (I mean some central kde facility, not having to rely on mouse polling or stuff like that). Because in that

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-05 Thread Dario Freddi
There is not a DBus interface exportable, however for 4.4 it would be nice if we could remove that code from PowerDevil and put it somewhere else (ideas, anyone?) Rob, feel free to contact me for more clarification on this. I really think you should use XSync over XScreensaver. On Tuesday 05

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-04 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 01 May 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: Hello all, I would like in discuss what things should still be improved to the way jobs are handled in the systemtray before the freeze. These are some of the things I noticed or are often requested: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Friday 01 May 2009 20:37:48 Chani wrote: hrrm. you say some prefer no-autohide, then suggest a way to configure the autohide *time*. can we just offer an autohide checkbox and hardcode the time to something reasonable? (6 seconds seems ok so far) Probably better yes. * I don't like

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Friday 01 May 2009 20:39:43 Marco Martin wrote: On Friday 01 May 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and notifications get's automatically shown because one get's added. Currently this is hardcoded to 6 seconds, but there are quite some requests for

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Friday 01 May 2009 21:53:04 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Friday 01 May 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and notifications get's automatically shown because one get's added. Currently this is hardcoded to 6 seconds, but there are quite some requests for

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 01 May 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Friday 01 May 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and notifications get's automatically shown because one get's added. Currently this is hardcoded to 6 seconds, but there are quite some requests for having no

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Friday 01 May 2009 18:40:00 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: These are the main issues I encountered. Please try the systray from trunk some time and give your feedback on these issues or provide your own points. I've been seeing a logic issue for some time, I'll use this poke to finally tell you

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Saturday 02 May 2009 17:48:13 Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Friday 01 May 2009 18:40:00 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: These are the main issues I encountered. Please try the systray from trunk some time and give your feedback on these issues or provide your own points. I've been seeing a logic

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Chani
we're supposed to have some kind of logging facility, right? ideally I'd expect that notifications that stopped doing anything more than 5 minutes ago would get sent away somewhere so that I'd have to explicitly click some sort of history button or something to show them. I might not want

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-02 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Saturday 02 May 2009 18:17:56 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: On Saturday 02 May 2009 17:48:13 Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Friday 01 May 2009 18:40:00 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: These are the main issues I encountered. Please try the systray from trunk some time and give your feedback on these

Systray jobs

2009-05-01 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
Hello all, I would like in discuss what things should still be improved to the way jobs are handled in the systemtray before the freeze. These are some of the things I noticed or are often requested: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and notifications get's automatically shown because

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-01 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 01 May 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: Hello all, I would like in discuss what things should still be improved to the way jobs are handled in the systemtray before the freeze. These are some of the things I noticed or are often requested: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-01 Thread Chani
On May 1, 2009 09:40:00 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: Hello all, I would like in discuss what things should still be improved to the way jobs are handled in the systemtray before the freeze. These are some of the things I noticed or are often requested: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and

Re: Systray jobs

2009-05-01 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday 01 May 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: * Auto hiding after the dialog with jobs and notifications get's automatically shown because one get's added. Currently this is hardcoded to 6 seconds, but there are quite some requests for having no auto hiding at all. I do very much prefer

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-14 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Friday 10 April 2009 19:38:24 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: Still that doesn't make it any easier to interpret say '3/4' in front of a ah and if all are completed, then you can just say N instead of N/N ... so to be ++ verbose, this would give us

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-10 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 03:04:32 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 08:01:16 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:02:58 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: what about the

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-10 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Friday 10 April 2009 17:50:54 Marco Martin wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: I've been doing some more thinking about this: what about splitting this up in 2 icons? One i icon with a number that shows the total amount of notifications, and the spinner with a number

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-10 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Friday 10 April 2009 18:58:53 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: Well, the problem kind of is that the systray shows multiple things: running jobs and notifications, which are distinctively different. Still are they? both are communicating system or

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-10 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday 10 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: Still that doesn't make it any easier to interpret say '3/4' in front of a spinner. to me it says there are four things here, three of which are completed notifications can therefore be viewed as jobs that completed in zero time. -- Aaron J.

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-09 Thread Sven Burmeister
Am Montag, 6. April 2009 16:30:21 schrieb Rob Scheepmaker: Hello, I wanted to discuss what I think should be improved in the plasma systemtray... not the spec, but the jobs/notifications. We discussed some of this already at tokamak, but there's still a lot to be done if we want this to be

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-09 Thread dantti85-...@yahoo.com.br
Even if the icon gets some animation, it is still small and the event notification closed is still the same, i.e. the signal remains the same as the user might just notice the it's gone and not whereto. There have been people stating that they thought the job was done because the notification

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-09 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Thursday 09 April 2009 16:47:41 Sven Burmeister wrote: Am Montag, 6. April 2009 16:30:21 schrieb Rob Scheepmaker: Hello, I wanted to discuss what I think should be improved in the plasma systemtray... not the spec, but the jobs/notifications. We discussed some of this already at

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-09 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Thursday 09 April 2009 17:48:20 dantti85-...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Even if the icon gets some animation, it is still small and the event notification closed is still the same, i.e. the signal remains the same as the user might just notice the it's gone and not whereto. There have been

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-09 Thread Chani
On April 9, 2009 09:08:38 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009 17:48:20 dantti85-...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Even if the icon gets some animation, it is still small and the event notification closed is still the same, i.e. the signal remains the same as the user might just notice

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-09 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Thursday 09 April 2009 19:55:49 Chani wrote: how do you warn the user if they close their laptop lid? :) it does make sense for all other triggers, though. ...hmm, if the warning had a sound effect I might notice when closing my laptop. *most* of the time I also wait for it to finish

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-08 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:23:49 Rob Scheepmaker wrote: Yeah, it contains notifications (both 'normal' and file completed), and jobs, so indeed it may not be entirely optimal. However, both the in progress jobs and the completed jobs belong to an ExtenderGroup. The thing that might help is if

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-07 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 03:20:40 Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 09:04:32 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: bonus is that we already have the spinner and we've been using it around kde (plasma, gwenview, dolphin .. i keep seeing it in

Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-06 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
Hello, I wanted to discuss what I think should be improved in the plasma systemtray... not the spec, but the jobs/notifications. We discussed some of this already at tokamak, but there's still a lot to be done if we want this to be implemented for 4.3: * job widget layout. I don't know about

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday 06 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: * job widget layout. I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this could be improved. The widget takes up quite some space vertically. I'm not sure how we can keep the widget compact while still showing all the information (we'll need to

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-06 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Monday 06 April 2009 19:02:58 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: * job widget layout. I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this could be improved. The widget takes up quite some space vertically. I'm not sure how we can keep the widget

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday 06 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:02:58 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: * job widget layout. I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this could be improved. The widget takes up quite some space

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-06 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Monday 06 April 2009 08:01:16 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:02:58 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: what about the busy widget we have? we could just use that, with a number in the middle of it showing how many jobs are

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday 06 April 2009, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 08:01:16 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:02:58 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: what about the busy widget we have? we could just use that, with a number

Re: Systray jobs and notifications

2009-04-06 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Monday 06 April 2009 09:04:32 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: I think the idea of using animation to indicate a current job running is a good idea. Is there an icon designed for this yet? At first I thought of an animated Down arrow (a metaphor

Plasma systray jobs default to off?

2009-03-05 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
Hello everybody, Currently the plasma systray displays notifications and jobs. Both features can be enabled or disabled separately through the plasma-desktop-appletrc. In 4.2 both default to true. While the notifications work very well and have no real regressions compared to the passive popup

Re: Plasma systray jobs default to off?

2009-03-05 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
On Thursday 05 March 2009 17:07:20 Casper Clemence wrote: Slightly off the point and has probably already been discussed but replacing the (i) icon with an animated icon (eg, spinning gear) would probably be sufficient to alert the user that something is _in progress_. Of course that assumes

Re: Plasma systray jobs default to off?

2009-03-05 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday 05 March 2009, Rob Scheepmaker wrote: I think we should, for 4.2.2 either default the display of jobs to off, or find a way to fix the problems and regressions. when you try new things, it may not come out perfect on the first go-around. that's to be expected. but you can't really

Re: Plasma systray jobs default to off?

2009-03-05 Thread Rob Scheepmaker
, since it's then easy enough for the user to disable, if there is certain functionality they miss or if they don't 'get' the way the systray jobs work (the i). The way the jobs might confuse some users less, is if we don't autohide the popup while jobs are still in progress. That's a quite trivial

Re: Plasma systray jobs default to off?

2009-03-05 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
then easy enough for the user to disable, if there is certain functionality they miss or if they don't 'get' the way the systray jobs work (the i). we can ask on the i18n list if we can backport those two strings. The way the jobs might confuse some users less, is if we don't autohide the popup

Re: Plasma systray jobs default to off?

2009-03-05 Thread Guillaume Pothier
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Rob Scheepmaker r.scheepma...@student.utwente.nl wrote: Hello everybody, Currently the plasma systray displays notifications and jobs. Both features can be enabled or disabled separately through the plasma-desktop-appletrc. In 4.2 both default to true. While