On Sunday 03 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> Yes, because the color-matching alone simply isn't satisfying. It's just a
> first step.
it will be the only step. anything more comes at a cost in terms of either
code complexity (c.f. the theme background provider class, for instance) or
(at least e
On Sunday 03 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> allow a color, but not a pattern.
because a pattern is going to lead to user configuration.
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On Monday 04 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> Ok now let's forget this whole past part of the discussion, and start new
> in a productive manner.
:)
> The feature freeze will start today, so in order to get at least something
> useful into KDE 4.3, I now propose this:
don't worry, i consider it a
Am Montag 04 Mai 2009 16:40:17 schrieb Marco Martin:
> On Monday 04 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> > Ok now let's forget this whole past part of the discussion, and start new
> > in a productive manner.
> >
> > The feature freeze will start today, so in order to get at least
> > something useful i
On Monday 04 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> Ok now let's forget this whole past part of the discussion, and start new
> in a productive manner.
>
> The feature freeze will start today, so in order to get at least something
> useful into KDE 4.3, I now propose this:
> - The Theme section of the pla
Ok now let's forget this whole past part of the discussion, and start new in a
productive manner.
The feature freeze will start today, so in order to get at least something
useful into KDE 4.3, I now propose this:
- The Theme section of the plasma configuration file contains an additional
confi
composite user a first-class citizen.
> > But for now I have one important recommendation: Do not allow using
> > transparent themes without composition. When composition is disabled and
> > the theme does not have an opaque version, switch to another theme that
> > is opaq
saying is that your proposed solution is
not appropriate.
> But for now I have one important recommendation: Do not allow using
> transparent themes without composition. When composition is disabled and
> the theme does not have an opaque version, switch to another theme that is
> opa
On Sunday 03 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 16:39:00 schrieb Zack Rusin:
> > On Sunday 03 May 2009 07:08:34 David Nolden wrote:
> > > If you think gallium will rescue me then first finish it, and then come
> > > back discussing with me.
> >
> > Gallium is finished.
>
> Fine.
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 19:56:05 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo:
> a fundamental challenge in this conversation is that for you the definition
> of "good looking desktop" includes "a panel that looks like its
> translucent". for the rest of us, we see that as a nice to have item only
> and therefore perfect
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transparent themes without composition. When composition is disabled and the
theme does not have an opaque version, switch to another theme that is opaque.
Right now, transparent themes without composition make plasma look just
broken.
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On Sunday 03 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> interesting to me, since I'm talking about present and near future
> problems, and not about a hypothetical far future.
so are we.
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On Saturday 02 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> What price do I have to pay to get a well-looking desktop?
a fundamental challenge in this conversation is that for you the definition of
"good looking desktop" includes "a panel that looks like its translucent". for
the rest of us, we see that as a
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 16:39:00 schrieb Zack Rusin:
> On Sunday 03 May 2009 07:08:34 David Nolden wrote:
> > If you think gallium will rescue me then first finish it, and then come
> > back discussing with me.
>
> Gallium is finished.
Fine. Then it obviously hasn't rescued me. ;-)
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On Sunday 03 May 2009 07:08:34 David Nolden wrote:
> If you think gallium will rescue me then first finish it, and then come
> back discussing with me.
Gallium is finished.
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Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 03:53:15 schrieb Zack Rusin:
> So first you don't even have the time to check the name of the hardware
> you're referring to (Intel doesn't have a GMA with number 955), then you
> make a completely bogus statement (even the very first initial GMA 900 had
> were fully capable
On Saturday 02 May 2009 19:32:28 David Nolden wrote:
> Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 00:20:13 schrieb Martin Gräßlin:
> > I very much doubt that any Linux distribution including KDE 4.3 will not
> > provide at least XRender compositing with any hardware. If you own such a
> > hardware you should report a
FWIW, I don't have composite on (waiting for gallium drivers to save me) and I
still regularly find myself thinking "damn, KDE really does look awesome these
days".
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Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 00:20:13 schrieb Martin Gräßlin:
> I very much doubt that any Linux distribution including KDE 4.3 will not
> provide at least XRender compositing with *any* hardware. If you own such a
> hardware you should report a bug report to X developers requesting support.
Intel GMA 95
On Sunday 03 May 2009 01:08:31 David Nolden wrote:
> Am Samstag 02 Mai 2009 17:37:00 schrieb Marco Martin:
> > > Composition is simply not an option. And for some users, it never will.
> >
> > if it never will, linux desktop has simply blatantly failed, because it
> > means it reached the maximum i
Am Samstag 02 Mai 2009 17:37:00 schrieb Marco Martin:
> > Composition is simply not an option. And for some users, it never will.
>
> if it never will, linux desktop has simply blatantly failed, because it
> means it reached the maximum it can do nd no further evolution is possible,
> so in the nex
On Friday 01 May 2009 19:06:09 David Nolden wrote:
> When a theme designer makes a theme transparent, then he wants something to
> show through the theme.
Air actually does this. No fake translucency though.
I concur with Aaron and Zack on the other points. Fix (or help fixing) the
offending dri
On Saturday 02 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> >On Friday 01 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> >> This already looks quite nice. But since many plasma themes have a
> >> glassy look, they highly profit from something more shining through
> >> them, since that's the only way they can retain that look.
On Friday 01 May 2009 19:15:52 David Nolden wrote:
> >On Friday 01 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> >> This already looks quite nice. But since many plasma themes have a
> >> glassy look, they highly profit from something more shining through
> >> them, since that's the only way they can retain that
On Friday 01 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> >On Friday 01 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> >> This already looks quite nice. But since many plasma themes have a
> >> glassy look, they highly profit from something more shining through
> >> them, since that's the only way they can retain that look. T
On Friday 01 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
> When a theme designer makes a theme transparent, then he wants something to
> show through the theme. Without composition, the window manager will not
> supply that background, so in order to keep it looking similar to the way
> the designer has intended
>On Friday 01 May 2009, David Nolden wrote:
>> This already looks quite nice. But since many plasma themes have a glassy
>> look, they highly profit from something more shining through them, since
>> that's the only way they can retain that look. Transparency is not
>
>and if you want that, use com
I want to raise a discussion here how to make transparent themes look nice
without composition support.
So:
When a theme designer makes a theme transparent, then he wants something to
show through the theme. Without composition, the window manager will not
supply that background, so in order to
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