Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-22 Thread Mark
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, June 21, 2012 20:17:50 Martin Gräßlin wrote: >> if there is interest in the team, I am willing to do the administrative work >> of creating target milestones and disabling outdated ones. I'm doing that >> work for kwin anyway an

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 20:17:50 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > if there is interest in the team, I am willing to do the administrative work > of creating target milestones and disabling outdated ones. I'm doing that > work for kwin anyway and doing it for Plasma would not create much work. cool! than

Re: Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 21 June 2012 17:45:20 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, June 21, 2012 17:18:15 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > next. That might work also for Plasma. > > we have done this in past releases. it does work. i'd like to do it again. > but it takes effort, leadership and group cooperation. if t

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, June 21, 2012 16:13:32 Mark wrote: >> think we should make releases with random pieces cutted out, or they >> will never be complete" so we don't cut out pieces that don't work yet >> we also don't want to release pieces that do

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 17:18:15 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > next. That might work also for Plasma. we have done this in past releases. it does work. i'd like to do it again. but it takes effort, leadership and group cooperation. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally si

Re: Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Thursday 21 June 2012 16:56:51 Marco Martin wrote: >> On Thursday 21 June 2012, Mark wrote: >> > >> Both issues are not something that obstruct normal KDE usage, but they >> > >> do render some parts of KDE completely useless. I'm a bit u

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 16:13:32 Mark wrote: > think we should make releases with random pieces cutted out, or they > will never be complete" so we don't cut out pieces that don't work yet > we also don't want to release pieces that don't work. we don't WANT to, but we do. this is the "perfec

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 16:58:28 Mark wrote: > Ehhh, that's a very strange reasoning :p That way you could release a > completely broken KDE SC (like KDE 4.0 was ;p) then developers will this is not why the 4.0 release was made at the point it was, nor is it comparable in scope as marco pointe

Re: Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 21 June 2012 16:56:51 Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 21 June 2012, Mark wrote: > > >> Both issues are not something that obstruct normal KDE usage, but they > > >> do render some parts of KDE completely useless. I'm a bit unsure if i > > >> should mark such bugs as release blockers.

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Marco Martin
On Thursday 21 June 2012, Mark wrote: > > Nobody said we don't want to release pieces that don't work. We do > > release pieces that don't work. Then those bugs are much more visible > > and developers (hopefully) have more motivation to fix them. :) > > > > Just my 2c, > > Jeremy > > Ehhh, tha

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Mark wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 22:15:35 Mark wrote: To me the definition of a regression is as follows: A regression is an i

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Marco Martin
On Thursday 21 June 2012, Mark wrote: > >> Both issues are not something that obstruct normal KDE usage, but they > >> do render some parts of KDE completely useless. I'm a bit unsure if i > >> should mark such bugs as release blockers. > > > > not when they are this minor, no. > > True and i com

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Jeremy Whiting
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Mark wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 22:15:35 Mark wrote: >>> To me the definition of a regression is as follows: >>> A regression is an issue that wasn't in the previous release. >> >> that would des

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 22:15:35 Mark wrote: >> To me the definition of a regression is as follows: >> A regression is an issue that wasn't in the previous release. > > that would describe all new bugs ;) > > a regression is something t

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 22:15:35 Mark wrote: > To me the definition of a regression is as follows: > A regression is an issue that wasn't in the previous release. that would describe all new bugs ;) a regression is something that worked properly (for whatever that means in the given situatio

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-21 Thread Marco Martin
On Wednesday 20 June 2012, Mark wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301854, that bug described the > KGet Piechart applet as being broken. I tested that and verified that > it indeed is completely broken and even renders outside it's applet > space. So i marked that one as release blocker

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-20 Thread Christoph Feck
On Wednesday 20 June 2012 22:15:35 Mark wrote: > I would like to have some clarification on when something should be > marked as a release blocker. Take the word literally. A release blocker is a bug which makes the release unusable. Think "it is better to not release KDE at all, instead of rele

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-20 Thread Mark
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Wednesday 20 June 2012 22:15:35 Mark wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Yesterday i was looking over quite a few plasma bugs and noticed a lot >> of bug being filled at the new QML components. >> I marked most of them as regressions since they looked l

Re: When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 20 June 2012 22:15:35 Mark wrote: > Hi, > > Yesterday i was looking over quite a few plasma bugs and noticed a lot > of bug being filled at the new QML components. > I marked most of them as regressions since they looked like regressions to > me. > > To me the definition of a regress

When should a bug be considered as a regression or a release_blocker?

2012-06-20 Thread Mark
Hi, Yesterday i was looking over quite a few plasma bugs and noticed a lot of bug being filled at the new QML components. I marked most of them as regressions since they looked like regressions to me. To me the definition of a regression is as follows: A regression is an issue that wasn't in the