Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-02 Thread Martin Aspeli
Sure, we can treat as a separate PLIP if you think it's a bad idea for 4.3. In my mind, it was part of the same stream of work, just something that I couldn't land in time, but I can see how it's technically at least quite separate. In any case, I'd love some FWT input. On 2 November 2012 16:40,

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-02 Thread David Glick (Plone)
Er...as a member of the framework team, my recollection was that we approved that PLIP and you merged it. Plone 4.3 isn't really open to new features right now; we're trying to get it out the door. I'll make sure the fragment thing is on the agenda for the next meeting though. David On 11/2/1

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-02 Thread Martin Aspeli
Yes. It's not really described in that PLIP, but it's part of the same work (i..e trying to get our non-Python/filesystem theme development story to stack up). Hence, it fits with the same branch and timing, at least. On 2 November 2012 11:42, Matthew Wilkes wrote: > > > Alex Clark wrote: >> >> I

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-02 Thread Matthew Wilkes
Alex Clark wrote: I'm not on the FWT, just trying to follow: where is that PLIP? All the Diazo related PLIPs I can find are closed: I believe Martin means this one: https://dev.plone.org/ticket/12227 Matt ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-02 Thread Alex Clark
On 2012-11-02 08:21:50 +, Martin Aspeli said: That's the whole point: There's a PLIP for 4.3 with Diazo improvements, and this is part of that. Hence I'd like some review before I merge this part of it. I'm not on the FWT, just trying to follow: where is that PLIP? All the Diazo related

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-02 Thread Martin Aspeli
Also, JSON support for content is a completely orthogonal concern. On 2 November 2012 01:50, Alec Mitchell wrote: > FWIW, I'm also -1 without this going through the PLIP process. A > plugin would be fine. Personally, I'd rather see JSON representations > for content and listings than either thi

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-02 Thread Martin Aspeli
That's the whole point: There's a PLIP for 4.3 with Diazo improvements, and this is part of that. Hence I'd like some review before I merge this part of it. On 2 November 2012 01:50, Alec Mitchell wrote: > FWIW, I'm also -1 without this going through the PLIP process. A > plugin would be fine.

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-01 Thread Ross Patterson
I'm +1 on this. It seems well defined, limited in scope, simple, powerful and optional. It seems like a situation where there's high reward *if* it gets used, and little downside if it doesn't. It's the best answer I've heard yet to the problem of how to go beyond Diazo/XSLT *and* how to avoid f

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-01 Thread Alec Mitchell
FWIW, I'm also -1 without this going through the PLIP process. A plugin would be fine. Personally, I'd rather see JSON representations for content and listings than either this or the contentlistings type hackery. Alec On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Elizabeth Leddy wrote: > I'm technically no

Re: [Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-01 Thread Elizabeth Leddy
I'm technically not on the FWT but -1 for doing this like a bug fix. I am in agreement with djay, but more importantly we have been very good about going "add-on first, core second". I can see this being a product bump (like tinymce is at the moment) for a good couple of months and then getting

[Framework-Team] Diazo ZPT fragment support

2012-11-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Guys, I'd really like some FWT input on https://github.com/plone/plone.app.theming/pull/10 It's ready to merge, but there seems to be different opinions about merit: * Laurence and I see it as an important way to solve a certain class of problems, where Plone's markup isn't sufficient as a bas