Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread ajung
Rant continuing Even the Dexterity documentation is outdated for Plone 4.3 http://dexterity-developer-manual.readthedocs.org/en/latest/schema-driven-types.html How should a n00b start with Plone 4.3 and Dexterity without outdated documentation? -aj ajung wrote Hi there, I am

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread Nathan Van Gheem
Yes, this is embarrassing. Ideally this would be fixed before eric releases 4.3.1. Could we get some issues in the trackers? On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Mikko Ohtamaa mikko+pl...@redinnovation.com wrote: They don't. On 25 May 2013 14:40, ajung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Rant

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread ajung
Bringing the discussion back to facts. The documentation http://dexterity-developer-manual.readthedocs.org/en/latest/schema-driven-types.html uses form.schema (from plone.directives as base class) for the schema. This is not working in Plone 4.3 - there is no plone.directives module. So I

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread ajung
After reversing engineering: the problem here is in GenericSetup. The configuration for property name=schema.../property is completely ignored. It is correctly exported through portal_setup after setting it manually through the ZMI but the standard types tool import step ignores this property.

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread ajung
https://dev.plone.org/ticket/13600 ajung wrote After reversing engineering: the problem here is in GenericSetup. The configuration for property name=schema ... /property is completely ignored. It is correctly exported through portal_setup after setting it manually through the ZMI but the

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread raggam-nl
Working examples are often the best documentation.I agree that this is not optimal.but have a look here: Https://github.com/collective/collective.venue and it's dependencies and Https://github.com/plone/plone.app.event Both work on Plone 4.3 without grok. -- Sent from my Nokia N9On 25.05.13

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread Steve McMahon
Templer is a work in progress. Until it is further along, ZopeSkel is the stable solution. ZopeSkel works with 4.3, and zopeskel.dexterity has been updated for 4.3. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:14 PM, ajung li...@zopyx.com wrote: ... The official way for generating the boilerplate code

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread ajung
Work-in-progress here translates to broken-and-unusable. Stuff like Templer or Zopeskel 3.X that actually never worked you have never been published. It wastes our time or causes lots of trouble and frustration - bad for people *trying* to use Plone. The developer experience right now is a

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread Nathan Van Gheem
What is shipped with the installer and referenced in the docs? I assume it's still zopeskel? On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:44 AM, ajung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Work-in-progress here translates to broken-and-unusable. Stuff like Templer or Zopeskel 3.X that actually never worked you have never

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread ajung
I am never using any installers. I build my buildout skels using Zopeskel and added https://pypi.python.org/pypi/templer.dexterity/1.0a1 as documented in the docs. Andreas Nathan Van Gheem wrote What is shipped with the installer and referenced in the docs? I assume it's still zopeskel?

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread ajung
The getstarted documentation warns about templer http://developer.plone.org/getstarted/dexterity.html?highlight=templer but not the official Dexterity reference manual. The reference manual speaks about Zopeskel for generating the boilerplate but does not warn about templer.

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread Steve McMahon
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:48 AM, ajung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Bringing the discussion back to facts. The documentation http://dexterity-developer-manual.readthedocs.org/en/latest/schema-driven-types.html uses form.schema (from plone.directives as base class) for the schema. This is not

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread David Glick (Plone)
On 5/25/13 6:55 AM, ajung wrote: After reversing engineering: the problem here is in GenericSetup. The configuration for property name=schema.../property is completely ignored. It is correctly exported through portal_setup after setting it manually through the ZMI but the standard types tool

Re: [Product-Developers] pissed Generating the Dexterity boilerplate for Plone 4.3/pissed

2013-05-25 Thread David Glick (Plone)
On 5/25/13 4:40 AM, ajung wrote: Rant continuing Even the Dexterity documentation is outdated for Plone 4.3 http://dexterity-developer-manual.readthedocs.org/en/latest/schema-driven-types.html Please use the copy of the manual at