Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-23 Thread MJang
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 18:06 -0700, Michael M. Moore wrote: > MJang wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:10 -0700, Michael M. Moore wrote: > > > > > > But in any case, the current position is in support of capitalism, right > > or wrong. > > I disagree. The current position is in support of corp

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-23 Thread Michael M. Moore
MJang wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:10 -0700, Michael M. Moore wrote: > > Dear Michael, > > I appreciate the education w/r/t copyright history. More after an > excerpt: > >> The U.S. is party to the [1] Berne Convention and was the most >> aggressive lobbyist for [2] TRIPS, which stipulate

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-23 Thread Michael Robinson
> So I suppose if the US changed its position one more time, that would be > flip-flopping > > But in any case, the current position is in support of capitalism, right > or wrong. > > In addition, any change to copyright laws would also change the effect > of the GPL, as it is also a copyrig

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-23 Thread MJang
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:10 -0700, Michael M. Moore wrote: Dear Michael, I appreciate the education w/r/t copyright history. More after an excerpt: > The U.S. is party to the [1] Berne Convention and was the most > aggressive lobbyist for [2] TRIPS, which stipulates that copyright terms > mus

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-23 Thread Larry W
Michael Robinson wrote: > Copyrighting something beyond the > lifetime of it's author and/or the owning company is also > ludicrous. The trouble is, the current copyright regime in > the U.S. and around the world creates permanent monopolies. > If memory serves, Walt Disney Productions was a

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Robinson
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 12:11 -0700, m0gely wrote: > Michael Robinson wrote: > >>> The government could step in... > > > > I've heard this argument before and I'm not buying it. The government > > which recognizes copyright could step in and retroactively change the > > rules. > > You don't buy

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread Michael M. Moore
MJang wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 01:49 -0700, Michael Robinson wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 00:26 -0700, m0gely wrote: >>> Michael Robinson wrote: >>> Microsoft has abandoned the dos/Windows 3.x combo, Windows 95 all versions, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, Windows NT all versions, >>

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread Jason Dagit
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Michael Robinson wrote: > Copyright is not supposed to protect a company from competition forever. > Microsoft is a monopoly because noone is allowed to work from any of > it's old OS'es.  Efforts to replicate functionality and achieve driver > compatability are t

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread m0gely
Michael Robinson wrote: >>> The government could step in... > > I've heard this argument before and I'm not buying it. The government > which recognizes copyright could step in and retroactively change the > rules. You don't buy it? What planet are you from? Wanna know a big reason why nvidia

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread MJang
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 01:49 -0700, Michael Robinson wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 00:26 -0700, m0gely wrote: > > Michael Robinson wrote: > > > > > Microsoft has abandoned the dos/Windows 3.x combo, Windows 95 all > > > versions, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, Windows NT all versions, > > > Windows 2

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread donkyhotay
Except then software companies could only charge their consumers *once* rather then charging them over and over again for the various upgrades. If win98 was open-sourced then people would be more likely to keep their older computer around and use the open-source updates to keep their system run

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Robinson
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 00:26 -0700, m0gely wrote: > Michael Robinson wrote: > > > Microsoft has abandoned the dos/Windows 3.x combo, Windows 95 all > > versions, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, Windows NT all versions, > > Windows 2000, and Windows Millenium. > > Windows 2000 (NT5) has over a year of

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread m0gely
Michael Robinson wrote: > Microsoft has abandoned the dos/Windows 3.x combo, Windows 95 all > versions, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, Windows NT all versions, > Windows 2000, and Windows Millenium. Windows 2000 (NT5) has over a year of support left, hardly abandoned. An OS is made up of many techn

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-22 Thread Larry Brigman
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Michael Robinson wrote: > A bit of an aside, when I bought a usb sound card from usbgear.com > it was advertised as being Windows 98SE compatible.  It wasn't.  I > was told tough when I brought this up and it was suggested that I > should complain to Microsoft.  I

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-21 Thread Michael Robinson
A bit of an aside, when I bought a usb sound card from usbgear.com it was advertised as being Windows 98SE compatible. It wasn't. I was told tough when I brought this up and it was suggested that I should complain to Microsoft. If Windows 98SE were open source, there'd probably be an open sou

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-21 Thread drew wymore
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:31 PM, donkyhotay wrote: > This is an issue with no real clear answer and has very vocal supporters > on both sides. Although on a *nix mailing list (like this one) you are > more likely to get opinions leaning towards 'freedom of knowledge is > good' you have to be care

Re: [PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-20 Thread donkyhotay
This is an issue with no real clear answer and has very vocal supporters on both sides. Although on a *nix mailing list (like this one) you are more likely to get opinions leaning towards 'freedom of knowledge is good' you have to be careful as it can turn into a political issue. Personally I a

[PLUG] Abandonware problem and ScummVM...

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Robinson
I recently decided to download a copy of Full Throttle that runs on ScummVM from a pirate site. It seems that to get software for ScummVM you are pretty much stuck downloading it from pirate sites because anything written for Linux would run on Linux directly and either a) be open source or b)