[PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Michael Dexter
Hello all, In light of a contentious on-list discussion in October 2011 and PLUG's traditional lack of diversity, I am of the opinion that the group should have a code of conduct. This need not be complex but is an important formality in this splendidly-informal community. In the case of the

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Wayne E. Van Loon Sr.
While I think it is OK for anyone to publish a list of suggested guide lines such as the good list below, I am opposed to any sort of conduct police. To avoid another round of stuff similar to 2011-10, that is all I'll say. Wayne Michael Dexter wrote: Hello all, In light of a contentious

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Wayne E. Van Loon Sr. wrote: While I think it is OK for anyone to publish a list of suggested guide lines such as the good list below, I am opposed to any sort of conduct police. To avoid another round of stuff similar to 2011-10, that is all I'll say. +1 Threads spin

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Ronald Chmara
Once the sociopath and his overly earnest (or perhaps likewise sociopathic) correspondent realize the room is empty of spectators, they go home. +1. Even if they don't realize it, eventually they tire out. I've gotten in my fair share of useless debates over the years, and the delete key always

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread King Beowulf
On 12/07/2012 10:49 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Wayne E. Van Loon Sr. wrote: While I think it is OK for anyone to publish a list of suggested guide lines such as the good list below, I am opposed to any sort of conduct police. To avoid another round of stuff similar to

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Michael Dexter
On 12/7/12 11:44 AM, Ronald Chmara wrote: Once the sociopath and his overly earnest (or perhaps likewise sociopathic) correspondent realize the room is empty of spectators, they go home. +1. Even if they don't realize it, eventually they tire out. I've gotten in my fair share of useless

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Michael Dexter wrote: And try not to be a jerk. As it's said in the future, http://www.snorgtees.com/be-excellent-to-each-other -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG mailing list

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Joe Niski
On 12/7/12 12:45 PM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote: And try not to be a jerk. Michael Better yet, in the words of Bill Ted, Be excellent to each other. Joe Shisei Niski Portland, Oregon, USA 至誠

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Michael Dexter
On 12/7/12 1:08 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: As it's said in the future, http://www.snorgtees.com/be-excellent-to-each-other Hey, but: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A-di661C0YY/UCXEIydy6CI/CT8/EVyLtuBaSNA/s1600/abrham++l,incoln.png Michael ___ PLUG

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Ronald Chmara
I thought that was a Ghandi quote? On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.comwrote: On 12/7/12 1:08 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: As it's said in the future, http://www.snorgtees.com/be-excellent-to-each-other Hey, but:

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Russell Johnson
On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote: In light of a contentious on-list discussion in October 2011 and PLUG's traditional lack of diversity, The very fact that it's been over a year without a similar incident suggests that the problem has resolved itself.

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread wes
my favorite way I've heard it described is this: If you force us to pretend that there are rules, you do not belong here. -wes On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net wrote: On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote: In light of a

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Michael Dexter
On 12/7/12 2:20 PM, wes wrote: my favorite way I've heard it described is this: If you force us to pretend that there are rules, you do not belong here. I would argue that there are countless unwritten rules but that, based on feedback, they are doing very well remaining unwritten. Michael

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread Keith Lofstrom
http://xkcd.com/386/ Something is wrong on the internet, so I am replying to plug-talk, where non-linux meta-discussions belong. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com Voice (503)-520-1993 ___ PLUG mailing list

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

2012-12-07 Thread MJang
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 14:15 -0800, Russell Johnson wrote: On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote: In light of a contentious on-list discussion in October 2011 and PLUG's traditional lack of diversity, The very fact that it's been over a year without a