Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-09 Thread Richard Owlett
Nat Taylor wrote: > you could build it on a shell account perhaps and dl it to a kinkos/fedex > (maybe by a mechanical turk? https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome ) or That doesn't sound attractive, especially after browsing your next link. > something? http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Nat Taylor
you could build it on a shell account perhaps and dl it to a kinkos/fedex (maybe by a mechanical turk? https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome ) or something? http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#781 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Larry Brigman wrote: > Probably not over dia

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Larry Brigman
Probably not over dial up. On Dec 8, 2014 10:19 PM, "Nat Taylor" wrote: > If you're committed to debian, maybe make a live cd, with the packages you > want, selecting the debian-installer as an option... > > http://live-systems.org/build/ > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Richard Owlett > wrot

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Nat Taylor
If you're committed to debian, maybe make a live cd, with the packages you want, selecting the debian-installer as an option... http://live-systems.org/build/ On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Larry Brigman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Richard Owlett > wrote

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Larry Brigman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> Larry Brigman wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Richard Owlett >> wrote: >>> My preferred method don't install rather than don't run. >>> To do that will typically require some knowledge

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:43:57 -0600 > Richard Owlett dijo: > >> ... I'm on dial-up <*GRIN*> > > If you need ISOs I maintain the latest on my laptop, which I have with > me at the Clinic. These include the popular ones (*buntus, Mint, > Fedora), as well as Arch, Debian, Op

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/08/2014 04:35 PM, Nat Taylor wrote: > This is how I got Arch Linux up and running: > http://www.linuxvoice.com/arch-linux/ I just read through the first half a page or so and I see a step I don't remember doing, so I'll give that a try -- when I get some free time. Thanks for the pointer.

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:43:57 -0600 Richard Owlett dijo: >... I'm on dial-up <*GRIN*> If you need ISOs I maintain the latest on my laptop, which I have with me at the Clinic. These include the popular ones (*buntus, Mint, Fedora), as well as Arch, Debian, OpenSUSE, PCLinux and Slackware. I have g

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Nat Taylor
This is how I got Arch Linux up and running: http://www.linuxvoice.com/arch-linux/ On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Larry Brigman wrote: > > Not totally sure this is relevant but the free class on edx might be > useful. > > > https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-linux-l

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Larry Brigman
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Larry Brigman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Richard Owlett > wrote: > > > >> > >> My preferred method don't install rather than don't run. > >> > > To do that will typically require some knowledge about how the installer >

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Larry Brigman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> >> My preferred method don't install rather than don't run. >> > To do that will typically require some knowledge about how the installer > operates to reduce your packages set to a bare minimum. Even there, >

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Larry Brigman
At least around here the libraries provide computers with internet access and free wifi. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Larry Brigman wrote: > > Not totally sure this is relevant but the free class on edx might be > useful. > > > https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-l

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Larry Brigman wrote: > Not totally sure this is relevant but the free class on edx might be useful. > https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-linux-linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-2#.VIYdyUSv40c > Sounds like it could be interesting - but I'm on dial-up <*GRIN*>

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/08/2014 03:16 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > I suggest you, at the least, give Arch Linux a look. I, too, am taking a look at Arch Linux. So far I've tried installing it following (or at least trying to follow) the instructions on the Beginners Guide, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 03:27:39PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I suspect I've gotten myself locked into Debian. Do BSDs have > equivalents of Debian repositories and apt-get or Synaptic? Or Pacman... The pacman package manager is one of the major distinguishing features of Arch Linux. It

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 01:20:14PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > /context > I am trying to move away from Windows. > I was originally pointed to Ubuntu. Its primary failure was > trying to reach the same audience as the latest/greatest > Microsoft offering. Both suffer from "vendor knows best" s

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Larry Brigman
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > My preferred method don't install rather than don't run. > To do that will typically require some knowledge about how the installer operates to reduce your packages set to a bare minimum. Even there, the best method for being able t

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Larry Brigman
Not totally sure this is relevant but the free class on edx might be useful. https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-linux-linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-2#.VIYdyUSv40c On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Michael Dexter wrote: > > On 12/8/14 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> Th

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Rich Shepard wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 2014, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> My original goal was simply purge Windows and run Linux. > > Richard, > > That's certainly a laudible goal. > >> Things influencing my outlook >>I predate CPM-80 > > I started with with either Honeywell or Burroughs ma

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Michael Dexter wrote: > On 12/8/14 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> The short form of my personal goal is: >> 1. bring back*PERSONAL* to personal computing. >> Primary implication - shall not be capable of being a >> network server. >> Secondary implication - only one p

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Nat Taylor
Might as well chime in. Arch https://www.archlinux.org/ is a good option for learning about linux internals, and not installing anything you don't want, it is a minimalist install, similar to slackware described above. It also has excellent documentation. The first issue of Linux Voice had a nic

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014, Richard Owlett wrote: > My original goal was simply purge Windows and run Linux. Richard, That's certainly a laudible goal. > Things influencing my outlook > I predate CPM-80 I started with with either Honeywell or Burroughs main frames in 1962. > Reading about "

Re: [PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Dexter
On 12/8/14 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > The short form of my personal goal is: > 1. bring back*PERSONAL* to personal computing. > Primary implication - shall not be capable of being a > network server. > Secondary implication - only one person will ever be the > operato

[PLUG] Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
/context I am trying to move away from Windows. I was originally pointed to Ubuntu. Its primary failure was trying to reach the same audience as the latest/greatest Microsoft offering. Both suffer from "vendor knows best" syndrome - too much excess baggage installed by default and essential sof