Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases From Java To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Levi Pearson
On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Bryan Sant wrote: On 6/28/06, Hans Fugal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also not very good at enterprise-level performance testing/ thinking, but I'll venture that insofar as rails is not hindered by the ruby threads implementation it's by working around the

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Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Hans Fugal
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 at 18:13 -0600, Bryan Sant wrote: On 6/28/06, Hans Fugal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 at 16:53 -0600, Bryan Sant wrote: I'll give you that Java is fast enough once started, but startup time is abysmal. What version of Java are you running? The 1.5 JVM

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Hans Fugal
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 at 21:01 -0700, Ross Werner wrote: As far as the benefits of an IDE (like Eclipse), I'll second the notion that you just have to see it in action. I'm not sure what exactly emacs can do, but vim can't hop through a dozen files following the flow of code execution just by

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Barry Roberts
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 10:26:57PM -0700, Ross Werner wrote: I know Emacs has this facility; it's called etags. I thought there was support for tags in vim, and possibly for good old vi. xrefactory (http://www.xref-tech.com/xrefactory-java/main.html) is closer to what eclipse has than etags.

July Plug meeting.

2006-06-29 Thread Jason Hall
Just a little reminder about the July Plug meeting. PLUG co-founder Thayne Harbaugh will be presenting on the Realm Systems iDentity devices. A mobile, personal server: 400 MHz powerpc, 128 MiB memory, 1 GiB storage, biometric finger-print reader, USB powered and pocket size. Take your

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases From Java To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Carl Youngblood
Rails uses a share-nothing architecture, just like LAMP, and can scale to kingdom come. At Omniture we used PHP and MySQL to scale far larger than most of the so-called enterprise applications out there. Have you ever had to deal with millions of INSERTs per minute? I have, and I'm here to tell

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 07:30 -0600, Hans Fugal wrote: vim+cscope. It's got a small learning curve that is easily alleviated with a cheat sheet and has the benefit of not requiring mousing. Can cscope work with any language besides C and C++? My understanding is that refactoring in eclipse is

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Ross Werner
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Hans Fugal wrote: And I don't care what you say, Java IS a memory hog. I don't need some web article to debunk what I can see day in and day out on top and ps. ... extra 11, and you still have 45m which ties for top RAM user with thunderbird, and they're both 20MB more

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Alan Young
But what if I need to make a urgent fix from my SSH enabled phone/PDA? Then you are not developing enterprise level production systems that need to go through a proper QA cycle with load testing and integration testing. Careful with that brush! True. And I do understand (and yearn for)

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Ross Werner
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Michael L Torrie wrote: To really appreciate the benefits of vim/emacs you have to see someone really proficient in doing the taks with that editor at work. It works both ways. Are IDEs easier to plod through than vim? yes. Dr. Scott Woodfield in the BYU CS dept is one

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Hans Fugal
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 at 09:15 -0700, Ross Werner wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Hans Fugal wrote: And I don't care what you say, Java IS a memory hog. I don't need some web article to debunk what I can see day in and day out on top and ps. ... extra 11, and you still have 45m which ties for top

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Hans Fugal
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 at 09:21 -0700, Ross Werner wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Michael L Torrie wrote: To really appreciate the benefits of vim/emacs you have to see someone really proficient in doing the taks with that editor at work. It works both ways. Are IDEs easier to plod through than vim?

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases FromJava To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Ross Werner
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Hans Fugal wrote: I'd have to agree that Java is typically more memory-hungry than other applications--however, in my experience that's only a one-time cost. In Half a Gig!!! Even emacs can't approach that. Yeah, but Open Office can, and it's more similar in terms of the

RE: non-phone-line internet options in Lehi

2006-06-29 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Yes, there is Rapidwave! Check us out at www.rapidwave.net. I like to think we have the fastest internet for the best price and lots of happy customers. -Sterling -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wade Preston Shearer Sent: Thursday,

Re: non-phone-line internet options in Lehi

2006-06-29 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I've lived in Lehi for two years and have been using airwired. I've been quite happy with the uptime, and price. You also have a static Internet IP for external access. I have no info on any other ISPs there. Interesting (in regards to price). From the shopping around that I have done this

Re: High speed internet in Logan

2006-06-29 Thread Chris Carey
On 6/29/06, Wade Preston Shearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone actually get 6MB with Comcast? I thought that all of those sales pitches were hooey and that real life speeds were more like 1 - 1.5 MB. I've had comcast at two locations in Orem. From my experience I've got 8 megabit

Re: High speed internet in Logan

2006-06-29 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I've had comcast at two locations in Orem. From my experience I've got 8 megabit reliably day or night. Lately, they *require* you to install some M$ Windows software to verify your computer is ready to surf the Internet before the line is activated (the route changes at that time). Never

Re: non-phone-line internet options in Lehi

2006-06-29 Thread Aaron Barlow
I've lived in Lehi for two years and have been using airwired. I've been quite happy with the uptime, and price. You also have a static Internet IP for external access. I have no info on any other ISPs there. Interesting (in regards to price). From the shopping around that I have done this

Re: non-phone-line internet options in Lehi

2006-06-29 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I recommend rapidwave.net. Local to (and for) Lehi, and much higher bandwidth speeds than Utah Broadband/Air Wired. I signed up a month ago and haven't looked back. They claim 4 Mb. Do you really get that? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature /* PLUG: http://plug.org,

Re: non-phone-line internet options in Lehi

2006-06-29 Thread Grant Robinson
On Jun 29, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: I recommend rapidwave.net. Local to (and for) Lehi, and much higher bandwidth speeds than Utah Broadband/Air Wired. I signed up a month ago and haven't looked back. They claim 4 Mb. Do you really get that? Wade, You seem to be

non-phone-line internet options in Lehi

2006-06-29 Thread Aaron Barlow
They claim 4 Mb. Do you really get that? Like with Utah Broadband, the connection is burstable to 4Mbs. However, I have observed 4Mbs more often than not. I love it and recommend it. If you do sign up, please put me down for a referral. -- Aaron /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on

RE: non-phone-line internet options in Lehi

2006-06-29 Thread Sterling Jacobson
And that's why you should use Rapidwave - our 200 pixel top banner ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Simpkins Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:47 PM To: Provo Linux Users Group Mailing List Subject: Re: non-phone-line internet

Re: Publishing flamebait [Fwd: Pragmatic Bookshelf releases From Java To Ruby]

2006-06-29 Thread Brad Midgley
Guys Rails uses a share-nothing architecture, just like LAMP I wrote a rails app and looking back, I think a big piece of the performance thing is in wise use of :include in object fetches (if you do not use :include, then rails will never do joins and will always make separate queries in each